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[hackey lad]

26 minutes ago, High Chaparral said:

It's easy to criticise and come up with a plan to smash the gangs when you're in opposition.  Not so easy to implement a plan or do any better when you take over governing. 

Talk is cheap .

[Mister M]

1 hour ago, leviathan13 said:

I see Angie-baby is attempting to pull the ladder up after her...

 

Made a mint out of Right To Buy but wants to stop others from doing the same.

 

Bit like when Diane Odd-shoes wanted to do the same with private schools - it's OK for her kids to attend them but everyone else can do one...

 

35 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Talk is cheap .

Talking of talk being cheap and people pulling the ladder up behind them, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer tweeted this message:

 

complete with a broken heart emoji. Awww how sweet.

The Tories record on record rises in homelessness, austerity, benefit cuts, local government cuts was very quickly pointed out to Mr Zahawi, as was his voting record and his tax affairs. On Twitter, not on here, obviously 

 

 

Edited September 4 by Mister M

[alchresearch]

2 hours ago, geared said:

Huge sums of money to be wasted on shear incompetance.

And you can guarantee there will be no sackings, just the usual "lessons have been learned" and the not mentioned "sorry, we'll have to raise council tax and reduce services due to our incompetence"

[alchresearch]

1 hour ago, High Chaparral said:

It's easy to criticise and come up with a plan to smash the gangs when you're in opposition.  Not so easy to implement a plan or do any better when you take over governing. 

My prediction is that their plan to tackle the gangmasters will fail.

 

So as a deterrent they'll consider sending them all somewhere else that has the capacity for them........

[cressida]

1 hour ago, leviathan13 said:

I see Angie-baby is attempting to pull the ladder up after her...

 

Made a mint out of Right To Buy but wants to stop others from doing the same.

 

Bit like when Diane Odd-shoes wanted to do the same with private schools - it's OK for her kids to attend them but everyone else can do one...

What does do one mean,  do what?  always wondered.

[leviathan13]

35 minutes ago, Mister M said:

 

Talking of talk being cheap and people pulling the ladder up behind them, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer tweeted this message:

 

complete with a broken heart emoji. Awww how sweet.

The Tories record on record rises in homelessness, austerity, benefit cuts, local government cuts was very quickly pointed out to Mr Zahawi, as was his voting record and his tax affairs. On Twitter, not on here, obviously 

 

 

Working close to that sector, i would argue that quite a bit of it could be sorted by the 'homeless' taking personal responsibility in many cases. No government will succeed in reducing the numbers if people don't help themselves.

 

There are people with homeless priority who will only take houses, the reason being they're likely to get a bigger return if they right to buy and then sell. They'd rather remain in temporary and emergency housing than accept a flat or maisonette. Also, people only want certain areas and will decline an offer, despite them not having a roof.

 

I fear the social housing crisis will flourish under Labour with them effectively paying those on benefits to keep having children and then expecting the council to rehouse them into a larger property.

 

And, as i've said loads over time on here, many 'homeless' people aren't actually homeless.

[leviathan13]

2 minutes ago, cressida said:

What does do one mean,  do what?  always wondered.

It's a more polite term for a few other euphemisms...

[Mister M]

13 minutes ago, leviathan13 said:

Working close to that sector, i would argue that quite a bit of it could be sorted by the 'homeless' taking personal responsibility in many cases. No government will succeed in reducing the numbers if people don't help themselves.

 

There are people with homeless priority who will only take houses, the reason being they're likely to get a bigger return if they right to buy and then sell. They'd rather remain in temporary and emergency housing than accept a flat or maisonette. Also, people only want certain areas and will decline an offer, despite them not having a roof.

 

I fear the social housing crisis will flourish under Labour with them effectively paying those on benefits to keep having children and then expecting the council to rehouse them into a larger property.

 

And, as i've said loads over time on here, many 'homeless' people aren't actually homeless.

Also as someone who has worked in the sector, I am aware that here's 'taking personal responsibility' and not accepting offers of help due to fear of other people in some hostels. People do not feel safe in certain environments and frankly I'm not surprised.

Just as a matter of historical record, street homelessness was reduced to its lowest level on record by 2010. Since then it has increased massively:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/angela-rayner-homelessness-unit

 

Perhaps your fears as someone who has worked in the sector are not borne out by official figures.  

I might add that while you seem quick to criticise the last Labour Government on homelessness, you also want to criticise the homeless themselves for not showing enough 'personal responsibility'. 

I wonder if you're aware that the Conservative Party itself prides itself on "being the party of personal responsibility", so I wonder how much responsibility they as ministers should show for the massive rise in the homeless. Or is it just about blaming the victims?

 

Edited September 4 by Mister M

[Bamanamanana]

2 hours ago, High Chaparral said:

It's easy to criticise and come up with a plan to smash the gangs when you're in opposition.  Not so easy to implement a plan or do any better when you take over governing. 

 

If only the Tories had spent a fraction of the money wasted in Rwanda on things that might have had any actual impact on the gangs themselves, targetting them and their finances, rather than the people they're exploiting. 🙄

[crookesey]

2 hours ago, leviathan13 said:

I see Angie-baby is attempting to pull the ladder up after her...

 

Made a mint out of Right To Buy but wants to stop others from doing the same.

 

Bit like when Diane Odd-shoes wanted to do the same with private schools - it's OK for her kids to attend them but everyone else can do one...

And all they have to say are those three magic words ‘The Previous Government’ and all is forgiven and forgotten, good old Labour.