General Election 2024: General UK Politics Discussion here

[High Chaparral]

17 minutes ago, Mister M said:

So why don't the schools lower their fees?

Because they would go bankrupt. 

[Prettytom]

3 minutes ago, alchresearch said:

 

There's many  other private schools around in the north that charge far less than that.

 

There's a prep school in Liverpool that charges less than £10,000.

 

 

And these parents don't have "that much spare cash lying around" - some of them work extra jobs, live in cheaper houses so their kids can have a better start.  

 

You'd do well to read this from the TES

 

https://www.tes.com/magazine/analysis/general/taxing-private-schools-truth-behind-bluster

 

Most private schools charge £20 000+ per year. Most parents who send their kids to private school are well off by any metric you use. 
 

Let’s not pretend that this is an assault on the aspiring working and lower middle classes. It’s quite the opposite, it is the privileged, using their privilege to keep an unwarranted subsidy to their already comfortable lifestyles.

 

Private schools can keep their fees down by making efficiency savings. Meanwhile, state schools will improve as their PTR reduces.

[Prettytom]

2 minutes ago, High Chaparral said:

Because they would go bankrupt. 

They wouldn’t. They could have fewer teachers, lower salaries and reduce their spend on facilities. 

 

You know, like state schools have been forced to do for the last 30 years.

[High Chaparral]

14 minutes ago, Prettytom said:

Most private schools charge £20 000+ per year. Most parents who send their kids to private school are well off by any metric you use. 
 

Let’s not pretend that this is an assault on the aspiring working and lower middle classes. It’s quite the opposite, it is the privileged, using their privilege to keep an unwarranted subsidy to their already comfortable lifestyles.

 

Private schools can keep their fees down by making efficiency savings. Meanwhile, state schools will improve as their PTR reduces.

That's nonsense.  The average charge is around £15,000 per year which takes into account  schools such as Eton which charge over £50,000 per year.  Most parents will be paying less than the average fee.  Most private schools are day schools. VAT on school fees will affect the less wealthy most.

Edited Thursday at 09:01 by High Chaparral

[Prettytom]

3 minutes ago, High Chaparral said:

That's nonsense.  The average charge is around £15,000 per year which takes into account  schools such as Eton which charge over £50,000 per year.  Most parents will be paying less than the average fee.  Most private schools are day schools. VAT on school fees will affect the less wealthy most.

£7000 per term for day pupils, £13000 per term for boarders actually.

 

Anyone with that much spare cash should be able to afford to pay their taxes too. In any case, nobody is forcing them to use private schools. Perfectly good state schools exist. It is purely a matter of choice.

[High Chaparral]

1 hour ago, Prettytom said:

£7000 per term for day pupils, £13000 per term for boarders actually.

 

Anyone with that much spare cash should be able to afford to pay their taxes too. In any case, nobody is forcing them to use private schools. Perfectly good state schools exist. It is purely a matter of choice.

You're wrong with your figures.

 

Parents and grandparents paying private school fees are paying taxes.  A contribution of their taxes go to funding children going to state schools which their own children don't attend.  They are effectively paying twice to educate their children.  There is a good reason why school fees have been exempt from VAT and that is to support businesses providing educational services.  The dreadful Labour government will not earn the revenue for the treasury they are claiming by charging VAT because private schools will be able to claim VAT back in the future on goods and services required to run and maintain their schools.  At least the Labour party had VAT on private school fees in their election manifesto unlike the removal of winter fuel allowance for pensioners.

[Prettytom]

18 minutes ago, High Chaparral said:

You're wrong with your figures.

 

Parents and grandparents paying private school fees are paying taxes.  A contribution of their taxes go to funding children going to state schools which their own children don't attend.  They are effectively paying twice to educate their children.  There is a good reason why school fees have been exempt from VAT and that is to support businesses providing educational services.  The dreadful Labour government will not earn the revenue for the treasury they are claiming by charging VAT because private schools will be able to claim VAT back in the future on goods and services required to run and maintain their schools.  At least the Labour party had VAT on private school fees in their election manifesto unlike the removal of winter fuel allowance for pensioners.

My figures are absolutely correct.

 

If people wish to send their kids to private schools, I’ve no problem with that. I do have a problem with the state subsidising that choice. I’m not alone in that. 

This is a very popular policy, which will become even more popular when it improves the life chances of the 95% of British kids who don’t attend private schools.

 

 

[High Chaparral]

29 minutes ago, Prettytom said:

My figures are absolutely correct.

 

If people wish to send their kids to private schools, I’ve no problem with that. I do have a problem with the state subsidising that choice. I’m not alone in that. 

This is a very popular policy, which will become even more popular when it improves the life chances of the 95% of British kids who don’t attend private schools.

 

 

Your figures are absolutely wrong.

 

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While some famous schools like Eton and Harrow charge about £50,000 a year, the average across the UK is about £15,000.

There are about 2,500 private schools in the UK, educating about 7% of all pupils, including about 570,000 in England.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c033dp0z1edo

[Prettytom]

39 minutes ago, High Chaparral said:

Your figures are absolutely wrong.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c033dp0z1edo

School fees have risen by almost 10% this year.

 

Now to tax them properly 

[alchresearch]

1 hour ago, Prettytom said:

If people wish to send their kids to private schools, I’ve no problem with that. I do have a problem with the state subsidising that choice. I’m not alone in that. 

 

And what about the state place freed up by sending said child to a private school, reducing burden on school places and class sizes?