General Election 2024: General UK Politics Discussion here

[crookesey]

IMHO lying is only lying if it’s the other guy doing it when it comes down to support. Churchill once said that ‘There are a terrible lot of lies going about the world, the worst of it is that half of them are true’.

 

[crookesey]

1 minute ago, Anna B said:

Sorry, not sure what you mean by your birth right. You're  not landed gentry are you?

You are free to choose which party you support, just make sure it's an informed choice and you vote for all the right reasons, which alters person to person. 

What I object to is forelock tugging plebs who think that voting Tory somehow elevates them.

It doesn't.

You are clearly an inverted snob.

[steved32]

Latest (daily) dog whistle policy from Sunak on OAP payments...Silly little man.

 

I'd urge all pensioners (I'm 68) to consider their kids', grandkids' and great-grandkids' futures.

 

Where should money go?  Education, NHS, environment, law and order.

 

Yes, look after struggling pensioners, and all communities, but invest in our future.  Youngsters who experienced lockdown have been massively disadvantaged.

 

Let's make amends.

[*_ash_*]

6 hours ago, Anna B said:

Probably true, but I've never understood why anyone who pays tax via PAYE would vote Tory, yet some of them do. In fact, now the middle classes living standards are threatened by neoliberalism, (and they've seen what the Tories are doing to aid it,) I'm very surprised they still vote Tory.

Beware, the Tories protect their own, ie the 1%, the elite. and that's all. They're just very good at PR and are masters of spin, lies and obuscation. Shameless . 

Labour have had over 100 years to be good at PR. And PR companies are everywhere on the internet. Maybe Labour aren't good at PR because they aren't very good. 

5 hours ago, Derby said:

Diane Abbott has the Labour whip restored then is banned from standing for Labour in the election.  Why rub salt into a wound?

Diane Abbott comes up in the news more than most MPs. Usually because she says or does something stupid. I bet if she resigned from politics, the number of Labour MPs and Labour voters queueing up to beg her to stay wouldn't be very long. 

It's the same with the Tories. They have some that equally the Tories wouldn't miss. 

5 hours ago, Ridgewalk said:

1/3 of working class people vote Tory otherwise they’d never get in.

 

Exactly. Working class people whose livelihoods often who are (or perceived to be) threatened by immigration, something that Labour avoid talking about, unless it's to criticise the Tories. 

I think that if a really strong far-left or far-right party with credibility and policies came along, both Labour and the Tories wouldn't be the talking point. 

2 hours ago, Anna B said:

The Tories depend on the gullible. Some working class are daft enough to still believe that the upper classs - their 'elders and betters,' must be honourable.... Nothing could be further from the truth. The upper class will lie, cheat, and steal to maintain their position. (How do you think they got there in the first place?) But they are adept at covering it up with meally mouthed words and a convincing smile.

You are a good reason why people don't vote Labour, because you write like a Labour voter. Working class people vote for the Tories because their taxes will be lower. Labour are a high taxing party, or certainly were in the past and that is a blemish on them now. 

What they rely on is that they can convince people that the taxes that are being paid under the Tories aren't being well spent. (and to be fair, I agree with that to a large extent).

[sheffbag]

3 hours ago, hackey lad said:

Ha ha ha . Starmer giving a straight answer  😂

He answered it straightaway. First day in and she is lying and causing trouble fo r the party. Starmers response on camera this morning

Asked to confirm whether the news is true - "yes or no" - Starmer tells the reporter "no, that's not true".

"No decision has been taken to bar Diane Abbott," he continues. 

"The process that we were going through ended with the restoration of the whip the other day, so she's a member of the Parliamentary Labour Party, and no decision has been taken barring her."

you can find the video on bbc but will probably be on the news later

 

[melthebell]

 

Interesting that generally the Tories havent gained any ground in the latest polls, and in Scotland labour have now over took the SNP

[Beechwood_S6]

5 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

He answered it straightaway. First day in and she is lying and causing trouble fo r the party. Starmers response on camera this morning

 

Asked to confirm whether the news is true - "yes or no" - Starmer tells the reporter "no, that's not true".

"No decision has been taken to bar Diane Abbott," he continues. 

"The process that we were going through ended with the restoration of the whip the other day, so she's a member of the Parliamentary Labour Party, and no decision has been taken barring her."

you can find the video on bbc but will probably be on the news later

 

So she lying, or he's about to flip flop again and endorse the far-left candidate Abbot  😂

[Anna B]

1 hour ago, *_ash_* said:

Labour have had over 100 years to be good at PR. And PR companies are everywhere on the internet. Maybe Labour aren't good at PR because they aren't very good. 

Diane Abbott comes up in the news more than most MPs. Usually because she says or does something stupid. I bet if she resigned from politics, the number of Labour MPs and Labour voters queueing up to beg her to stay wouldn't be very long. 

It's the same with the Tories. They have some that equally the Tories wouldn't miss. 

Exactly. Working class people whose livelihoods often who are (or perceived to be) threatened by immigration, something that Labour avoid talking about, unless it's to criticise the Tories. 

I think that if a really strong far-left or far-right party with credibility and policies came along, both Labour and the Tories wouldn't be the talking point. 

You are a good reason why people don't vote Labour, because you write like a Labour voter. Working class people vote for the Tories because their taxes will be lower. Labour are a high taxing party, or certainly were in the past and that is a blemish on them now. 

What they rely on is that they can convince people that the taxes that are being paid under the Tories aren't being well spent. (and to be fair, I agree with that to a large extent).

You mean like now, when taxes have never been higher after 14 years of the Tories? All those e hidden taxes add up. And we now have the poorest public services we've ever had, with continuous cuts to funding, so where has the money gone?

 

Labour may have had 100 years to be good at PR, but the Tories have had a thousand - they consider themselves born to rule, ever since the Norman invasion in 1066. Labour are relative newcomers, and play with a straighter bat. Unfortunately put someone with integrity up against confident out and out liars, and it's like trying to pin jelly to the ceiling.  

[Mister M]

What's all this nonsense about Tories being good at PR?

It's been revealed only today Jonathan Gullis has been photographed numerous times with a filthy heroin dealer, and Liz Truss is consorting with a man who issued numerous threats to Jess Philipps.

Not a good look if you ask me

[Derby]

44 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

He answered it straightaway. First day in and she is lying and causing trouble fo r the party. Starmers response on camera this morning

 

Asked to confirm whether the news is true - "yes or no" - Starmer tells the reporter "no, that's not true".

"No decision has been taken to bar Diane Abbott," he continues. 

"The process that we were going through ended with the restoration of the whip the other day, so she's a member of the Parliamentary Labour Party, and no decision has been taken barring her."

you can find the video on bbc but will probably be on the news later

 

How do you know Diane Abbott is lying? Something must have been said to Diane Abbott to lead her to believe she will not be the Labour candidate for the seat she has occupied for a long time. Mr Starmer looked shifty when giving the answer and he hasn't shown good leadership over the time Abbottgate has rumbled on.  It's been reported the Labour investigation about Diane Abbott ended in December 2023 and Mr Starmer stated only a few weeks ago the investigation hadn't been concluded. The timing of Diane Abbott having the whip reinstated coincides with the election campaign and she will be a useful campaigner for them.  But it looks like Diane Abbott is only considered to be a useful  Labour campaigner and not a useful Labour MP.  It's  looking like Mr Starmer has been less than honest with his statements about Diane Abbott.  What other things is Mr Starmer being less than honest about?