EU Élections: Macron dissolves French Parliament

[Delbow]

1 minute ago, The_DADDY said:

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I'm not playing that game again. Nice try though

 

 

I'm sure you know what Alex Jones thinks of the Guardian. His pet PJW must have told him about it. Go on, spill.

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[The_DADDY]

2 minutes ago, Delbow said:

 

I'm sure you know what Alex Jones thinks of the Guardian. 

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I don't watch him so I don't know.

 

Anyhow.. 

 

[Al Bundy]

13 minutes ago, Delbow said:

 

Says man who thinks the Guardian is 'left wing'

But it is.

 

Are you suggesting otherwise?

[Delbow]

So, 'liberal' then. You think 'liberal' is the same as 'left'?

[Delbow]

3 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

But it is.

 

Are you suggesting otherwise?

 

Of course I am. It's a publication for middle class liberals who do well out of the status quo. Any genuinely left wing politics would see some distribution of wealth from its readership to those less well-off; they don't support that. Owen Jones is left wing, but he is out of kilter with the rest of the publication. It's like when they used to have Gary Younge - 'look, we've got a black man who's a bit left wing'.

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[Al Bundy]

Just now, Delbow said:

 

Of course I am. It's a publication for middle class liberals who do well out of the status quo. Any genuinely left wing politics would see some distribution from its readership to those less well-off, they don't support that. Owen Jones is left wing, but he is out of kilter with the rest of the publication. It's like when they used to have Gary Younge - 'look, we've got a black man who's a bit left wing'.

Give over.

 

The Guardian is a left wing paper, you can try and spin it all you like.

 

Owen Jones is hard left...or is it far left, or alt left....or loony left, I get confused, just like CNN.

[Delbow]

This is a left-wing publication. It bears very little resemblance to the Guardian. It's not far left though - that would be something like Socialist Worker.

 

So:

 

Far left, e.g. Socialist worker               Left wing, e.g. Chartist                Liberal, e.g. The Guardian

[Delbow]

2 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

Give over.

 

The Guardian is a left wing paper, you can try and spin it all you like.

 

Owen Jones is hard left...or is it far left, or alt left....or loony left, I get confused, just like CNN.

 

Owen Jones is not hard left or far left. For example, he is not a revolutionary socialist (e.g. a Trotskyist). He supports reformism, i.e. putting left-wing candidates forward in elections in the belief that the whole capitalist system can be reformed from above. If he was far left, he'd be writing for Socialist Worker or Workers' Fight, not the Guardian. As you say - you are confused.

[Al Bundy]

10 minutes ago, Delbow said:

 

Owen Jones is not hard left or far left. For example, he is not a revolutionary socialist (e.g. a Trotskyist). He supports reformism, i.e. putting left-wing candidates forward in elections in the belief that the whole capitalist system can be reformed from above. If he was far left, he'd be writing for Socialist Worker or Workers' Fight, not the Guardian. As you say - you are confused.

So left wing Owen Jones is a columnist in a left wing paper.

 

Owen Peter Jones (born 8 August 1984) is a British left-wing newspaper columnist, commentator, journalist, author and political activist.

 

The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion: a MORI poll taken between April and June 2000 showed that 80 per cent of Guardian readers were Labour Party voters;[11] according to another MORI poll taken in 2005, 48 per cent of Guardian readers were Labour voters and 34 per cent Liberal Democrat voters.[12] The term "Guardian reader" can be used to imply a stereotype of liberal, left-wing or "politically correct" views.

 

Got there in the end!!

 

[Delbow]

1 minute ago, Al Bundy said:

So left wing Owen Jones is a columnist in a left wing paper.

 

Owen Peter Jones (born 8 August 1984) is a British left-wing newspaper columnist, commentator, journalist, author and political activist.

 

The paper's readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion: a MORI poll taken between April and June 2000 showed that 80 per cent of Guardian readers were Labour Party voters;[11] according to another MORI poll taken in 2005, 48 per cent of Guardian readers were Labour voters and 34 per cent Liberal Democrat voters.[12] The term "Guardian reader" can be used to imply a stereotype of liberal, left-wing or "politically correct" views.

 

Got there in the end!!

 

 

No, Owen Jones is a left-wing commentator with a column in the Guardian (think it through for a couple of minutes)

 

There is nothing inherently left-wing about voting Labour. Kier Starmer isn't left wing, and neither is Wes Streeting. There is absolutely nothing left-wing about the Lib Dems.

 

Suella Braverman is to the left of Goebbels, that doesn't make her left wing.

 

Carry on being confused.