WarPig Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, Pyrotequila said: We've just driven through this junction and honestly I cannot see why there are any issues here, it's plainly signposted, road markings are clear, easy to see traffic coming towards you. Coming off the roundabout there are two lanes, left lane for straight ahead, and right lane for turning right. When those cars that are in the right hand lane waiting to turn right see the traffic lights for the left hand lane next to them turn red, they incorrectly assume that the oncoming traffic must also on a red light, so they start their right turn. However oncoming traffic is in fact on a green light and still coming towards them, this is how the crashes happen. The traffic lights for both lanes operate independently, so any pedestrians crossing at those lights from the cricket ground side wait for the lights to turn red then they cross the left lane, and onto the central paved area. they then have to wait for the traffic lights for the next (oncoming) lane to turn red so that they can cross. Maybe it would be better if the traffic lights for both lanes turned red at the same time. Edited June 13 by WarPig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 22 minutes ago, hackey lad said: Daft question maybe but what do they need to design ? Kerbing layout location of crossings location of poles and signal heads, push buttons, detectors location of buried ducts location of chambers for cabling cabling and power supply location of signal controller location of detectors, above ground or buried in carriageway configuration and testing of signal controller and timing plans interface to urban traffic control systems any street lighting modifications signing roadmarkings Footway works ( tactile paving etc) carriageway resurfacing ( if skid coefficient of existing surface is sub-standard) road safety audits liaison with highway authority for approvals to work in the highway liaison with utilities (gas, water, electricity, telecoms etc) to establish locations of plant and any diversion work needed. business case development to name but a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 6 minutes ago, Planner1 said: Kerbing layout location of crossings location of poles and signal heads, push buttons, detectors location of buried ducts location of chambers for cabling cabling and power supply location of signal controller location of detectors, above ground or buried in carriageway configuration and testing of signal controller and timing plans interface to urban traffic control systems any street lighting modifications signing roadmarkings Footway works ( tactile paving etc) carriageway resurfacing ( if skid coefficient of existing surface is sub-standard) road safety audits liaison with highway authority for approvals to work in the highway liaison with utilities (gas, water, electricity, telecoms etc) to establish locations of plant and any diversion work needed. business case development to name but a few. Ah ok but I thought the were just putting up lights to help right turning traffic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 27 minutes ago, WarPig said: Maybe it would be better if the traffic lights for both lanes turned red at the same time. The best solution would be to signalise the whole junction and that is what is apparently going to happen ( or at least that’s what it said in the transport assessment for the planning application for the new stadium) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Just now, hackey lad said: Ah ok but I thought the were just putting up lights to help right turning traffic . For someone allegedly intelligent, you seem to try hard to appear thick. Read what I said. They are signalising the junction ie signals on all approaches to safely control all movements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 24 minutes ago, Planner1 said: For someone allegedly intelligent, you seem to try hard to appear thick. Read what I said. They are signalising the junction ie signals on all approaches to safely control all movements. How rude are you . I asked a honest question concerning the right turners . Get off your high horse . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrotequila Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) 6 hours ago, Planner1 said: I’ve seen similar problems at other sets of signals where there was an uncontrolled right turn in a separate lane ( some junctions on Meadowhall perimeter road). That’s why we had signs put up that said “Right turners beware oncoming traffic”, which seemed to help. Can't the council just do this? How much can it really cost for a metal sign and some guys to dig a hole? 🤨 Edited June 13 by Pyrotequila Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassett one Posted June 13 Author Share Posted June 13 THE council in sheffield know all about this but do nothing, are they waiting for extra cash when the football stadium is built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, bassett one said: THE council in sheffield know all about this but do nothing, are they waiting for extra cash when the football stadium is built? Do you think they have unlimited amounts of money? They can’t do all the stuff that’s needed, everywhere , immediately. Councils only get a finite amount of money from the government to spend on highways, so they generally have programmes of works that are several years long. The amount they get to spend on general small highway schemes is quite small nowadays and there are many demands on it. Accident remediation schemes are targeted at locations where people have been killed or seriously injured ( ie broken bones, hospitalisation etc). Damage only collisions don’t count for much because the government are focussed on reducing the numbers killed or seriously injured. There’s usually a list of locations waiting for money to be available to treat them. So, even when there is an acknowledged issue, it usually takes several years before work even starts on designing a scheme, which can then take quite a long time to get to construction. The developers of the new stadium ( well, their consultants) have noted in the planning application that the council already have a “ committed” scheme to signalise the junction, so they are clearly not looking to contribute anything to that. But, the council may differ with their interpretation. We won’t know till the application is determined and, if approved, we see what works and conditions are attached. It sounds like it’s on the council’s list for a scheme, but I can’t tell you when it might happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, hackey lad said: How rude are you . I asked a honest question concerning the right turners . Get off your high horse . Try actually reading what people write and you might not have to ask such questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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