Top4719 Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, altus said: It's quite clear you don't have any proof of your claim. The statement you posted is not "that very question". An answer to 'was your vaccine tested for stopping transmission?' is not an answer to 'does your vaccine stop transmission?'. The answer to the question asked by the MEP in no way supports your assertion that Pfizer claimed their vaccine does stop transmission. I've never made any comment about whether everyone knew anything or not. I've been questioning your assertion that Pfizer claimed their vaccine does stop transmission. They did claim it stopped transmission though, that's why the question was asked, they said under oath that it didn't and hadn't been tested on that basis, your being pedantic. Was the belief at the time of the intial vaccine roll out that it stopped transmission or not, yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altus Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 9 minutes ago, Top4719 said: They did claim it stopped transmission though, that's why the question was asked, they said under oath that it didn't and hadn't been tested on that basis, your being pedantic. So you claim, without evidence. 9 minutes ago, Top4719 said: Was the belief at the time of the intial vaccine roll out that it stopped transmission or not, yes or no? I can't imagine anyone who understands how vaccines work would have thought it would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 8 hours ago, Al Bundy said: I am no COVID denier but it makes you sit up when you see the profits these Pharma groups made with the vaccines, especially after getting grants from governments to help produce it. U.S. Government owned patents worth $millions, were routinely granted (given) to Big Pharma, and labs around the world, including China to research and/or manufacture vaccines. They were also granted legal immunity from lawsuits, in case of errors and omissions. What's not to like? Big Pharma said thank you, but not to the U.S. Taxpayer! They fueled millions in "bonuses" to government Health Officials and Scientists. Some $325,000,000.00 in the ten years BEFORE the Coronavirus hit! according to newly revealed reports. https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/325m-in-royalty-payments-to-nih-scientists-included-chinese-and-russian-firms/ Same stuff has been going on around the world. Some 700 doctors became instant $millionaires thanks to Big Pharma. We Found Over 700 Doctors Who Were Paid More Than a million ... ProPublica https://www.propublica.org › article › we-found-over-7... Oct 17, 2019 — More than 700 of those doctors received at least $1 million. “Holy smokes,” said Dr. Walid Gellad, an associate professor of medicine and health ... This was also in the 5 years before Coronavirus. They are presently digging into what has happened since 2020 when the Coronavirus showed up. So despite the desperate wailing from the MSM dupes, this investigation will proceed, even if this thread is closed down! As in "Move along citizen, don't question scientists!" 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delayed Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, trastrick said: U.S. Government owned patents worth $millions, were routinely granted (given) to Big Pharma, and labs around the world, including China to research and/or manufacture vaccines. They were also granted legal immunity from lawsuits, in case of errors and omissions. What's not to like? Big Pharma said thank you, but not to the U.S. Taxpayer! They fueled millions in "bonuses" to government Health Officials and Scientists. Some $325,000,000.00 in the ten years BEFORE the Coronavirus hit! according to newly revealed reports. https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/325m-in-royalty-payments-to-nih-scientists-included-chinese-and-russian-firms/ Same stuff has been going on around the world. Some 700 doctors became instant $millionaires thanks to Big Pharma. We Found Over 700 Doctors Who Were Paid More Than a million ... ProPublica https://www.propublica.org › article › we-found-over-7... Oct 17, 2019 — More than 700 of those doctors received at least $1 million. “Holy smokes,” said Dr. Walid Gellad, an associate professor of medicine and health ... This was also in the 5 years before Coronavirus. They are presently digging into what has happened since 2020 when the Coronavirus showed up. So despite the desperate wailing from the MSM dupes, this investigation will proceed, even if this thread is closed down! As in "Move along citizen, don't question scientists!" 😀 Or course investigations will take place. It doesn't necessarily mean that vaccines were unsafe, Big Pharma is out to get you etc. Unless of course all the current investigations into your buddy Trump are therefore true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_DADDY Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 6 minutes ago, trastrick said: U.S. Government owned patents worth $millions, were routinely granted (given) to Big Pharma, and labs around the world, including China to research and/or manufacture vaccines. They were also granted legal immunity from lawsuits, in case of errors and omissions. What's not to like? Big Pharma said thank you, but not to the U.S. Taxpayer! They fueled millions in "bonuses" to government Health Officials and Scientists. Some $325,000,000.00 in the ten years BEFORE the Coronavirus hit! according to newly revealed reports. https://nypost.com/2023/08/09/325m-in-royalty-payments-to-nih-scientists-included-chinese-and-russian-firms/ Same stuff has been going on around the world. Some 700 doctors became instant $millionaires thanks to Big Pharma. We Found Over 700 Doctors Who Were Paid More Than a million ... ProPublica https://www.propublica.org › article › we-found-over-7... Oct 17, 2019 — More than 700 of those doctors received at least $1 million. “Holy smokes,” said Dr. Walid Gellad, an associate professor of medicine and health ... This was also in the 5 years before Coronavirus. They are presently digging into what has happened since 2020 when the Coronavirus showed up. So despite the desperate wailing from the MSM dupes, this investigation will proceed, even if this thread is closed down! As in "Move along citizen, don't question scientists!" 😀 Well said 👏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Top4719 said: Find it yourself, there's a clip of her saying it. Are you saying you that all along everyone knew it (the vaccine) didn't stop transmission? Are you saying that people willingly got vaccinated to prevent transmission of the disease to others? My view is that the vast majority of individuals got vaccinated to avoid the worst consequences of contracting Covid and were happy when their nearest and dearest elected to take the same course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRB Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 20 minutes ago, trastrick said: As in "Move along citizen, don't question scientists!" 😀 Scientists are questioned all the time and frequently by other scientists or we would have made very little progress in anny branch over the last 2000 years or so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trastrick Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 26 minutes ago, RJRB said: Scientists are questioned all the time and frequently by other scientists The effort to shut down and censor all opposing viewpoints, on Climate Change Doomsday, COVID origins, and it's "Indiscriminate" effect on the population as a whole, came from scientists too! (And "experts" like the 50 Senior Intelligence Officials who signed the infamous letter denouncing Mr. Biden Jr's Laptop from Hell, as "Russian Disinformation". And 35 or so of Obama's FBI, who forged a FISA documents to spy on the Trump Campaign, who are no longer with us! While pushing the "Russian Collusion Hoax", and the "Pee Tape Hoax", and the "Russian Alpha Bank link to the Trump Tower" Hoax!) for years) 29 minutes ago, RJRB said: or we would have made very little progress in any branch over the last 2000 years or so. With the present state of the U.K. and U.S. with spiraling, unsustainable National Debts, hobbling from one Crisis to another, Health, Economy, Energy Prices, Inflation, and a couple of major wars, with a couple more looming, maybe the Big One, it is arguable whether the West has wasted your 2,000 years of progress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna B Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 8 hours ago, RJRB said: Are you saying that people willingly got vaccinated to prevent transmission of the disease to others? My view is that the vast majority of individuals got vaccinated to avoid the worst consequences of contracting Covid and were happy when their nearest and dearest elected to take the same course. I'm not sure 'willingly' is the right term to use. It was hardly a choice. A great deal of coertion was involved. People who didn't get vaccinated were treated like lepers. You could be fined or imprisoned for not obeying 'the rules' (unless you were a politician...) You weren't allowed to work, travel, or go in certain places without producing evidence of vaccination. A great deal of information was withheld if it didn't fit the popular narrative. Which is now coming out and causing problems for the authorities. Long term effects of vaccination are still being felt. People have short memories... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackey lad Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 27 minutes ago, Anna B said: I'm not sure 'willingly' is the right term to use. It was hardly a choice. A great deal of coertion was involved. People who didn't get vaccinated were treated like lepers. You could be fined or imprisoned for not obeying 'the rules' (unless you were a politician...) You weren't allowed to work, travel, or go in certain places without producing evidence of vaccination. A great deal of information was withheld if it didn't fit the popular narrative. Which is now coming out and causing problems for the authorities. Long term effects of vaccination are still being felt. People have short memories... What about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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