Battle of Orgreave, 40 years ago today

[Anna B]

3 hours ago, geared said:

 

40 years ago they did.

 

but since none were convicted and a bunch of them got a pay-out after suing SYP themselves I'd say those who 'deserved to know' actually know full well, and have taken a pay-out due to it. 

It's still very raw with some of them, as any miscarriage of justice will remain. Of course they want the record put straight, it's not all about a payout. 

[crookesey]

32 minutes ago, Anna B said:

It's still very raw with some of them, as any miscarriage of justice will remain. Of course they want the record put straight, it's not all about a payout. 

Any 40 years old verdict could not be taken seriously, however it remains a cover up.

[ECCOnoob]

1 hour ago, Anna B said:

It's still very raw with some of them, as any miscarriage of justice will remain. Of course they want the record put straight, it's not all about a payout. 

 

Yeah right. 

 

For lots of them, they really wouldn't want the REAL truth to come out because seeing  through all this faux 'woe is me' 'victim' mentality of the miners, plenty of them were not sweet and innocent either.

 

Just let's not forget here this was a pure ego trip for Scargill.  It was all done illegally, without ballot, losing the support of the fellow unions and even  some other coal mining sub regions.  He well and truly got his ass kicked before they all went crawling back to work in 85.  

 

Yes, there was some some officers who clearly did wrong and cross the line and those miners affected rightfully received their compensatory award after the IPCC investigated. But let not gloss over the heavy handed disgraceful behaviour of some of miners as well. The tensions, the violence, the threats against their fellow brothers, The 40 plus years of continuing feuding and brooding, even by some second generation people on who weren't even part of it in the first place.

 

Enough with this one sided bull. The whole thing for BOTH sides with a dark and ghastly point in our history with neither having any right to declare some moral high ground. 

 

If it's still "very raw" for the families half a lifetime on, it says far more about them.

Edited June 20 by ECCOnoob

[horribleblob]

38 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

Yeah right. 

 

For lots of them, they really wouldn't want the REAL truth to come out because seeing  through all this faux 'woe is me' 'victim' mentality of the miners, plenty of them were not sweet and innocent either.

 

Just let's not forget here this was a pure ego trip for Scargill.  It was all done illegally, without ballot, losing the support of the fellow unions and even  some other coal mining sub regions.  He well and truly got his ass kicked before they all went crawling back to work in 85.  

 

Yes, there was some some officers who clearly did wrong and cross the line and those miners affected rightfully received their compensatory award after the IPCC investigated. But let not gloss over the heavy handed disgraceful behaviour of some of miners as well. The tensions, the violence, the threats against their fellow brothers, The 40 plus years of continuing feuding and brooding, even by some second generation people on who weren't even part of it in the first place.

 

Enough with this one sided bull. The whole thing for BOTH sides with a dark and ghastly point in our history with neither having any right to declare some moral high ground. 

 

If it's still "very raw" for the families half a lifetime on, it says far more about them.

Interesting use of "crawling". My recollection is of miners marching back to work, holding banners aloft.

[Draggletail]

22 minutes ago, horribleblob said:

Interesting use of "crawling". My recollection is of miners marching back to work, holding banners aloft.

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[ECCOnoob]

33 minutes ago, horribleblob said:

Interesting use of "crawling". My recollection is of miners marching back to work, holding banners aloft.

 

They may well have been but they were hardly victorious with something to be proud of.

 

Their illegal, unballoted and unsupported strike, heavily encouraged by an increasingly egotistical militant union leader, turned to  nothing more than an ugly, oppressive and violent mess, resulting in decades long of bitterness and hurt......and all for what?   

 

They just ended up going back to work with no difference.  Their dinosaur and  uncompetitive industry continued to die on it's behind and those changes that they riled against happened anyway. 

 

Well done them. 

[Ridgewalk]

23 hours ago, TOM PEPPER said:

I Knew a miner who was in Arthurs inner circle,he told me that the Polish miners sent a suitcase full of money every week in support for their strike.

 

I heard that as well, plus ship loads of weapons from Ghaddafi .  Got myself a glock 45

 

The lads in the BBC were dead jealous at away games

[spilldig]

15 hours ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

Yeah right. 

 

For lots of them, they really wouldn't want the REAL truth to come out because seeing  through all this faux 'woe is me' 'victim' mentality of the miners, plenty of them were not sweet and innocent either.

 

Just let's not forget here this was a pure ego trip for Scargill.  It was all done illegally, without ballot, losing the support of the fellow unions and even  some other coal mining sub regions.  He well and truly got his ass kicked before they all went crawling back to work in 85.  

 

Yes, there was some some officers who clearly did wrong and cross the line and those miners affected rightfully received their compensatory award after the IPCC investigated. But let not gloss over the heavy handed disgraceful behaviour of some of miners as well. The tensions, the violence, the threats against their fellow brothers, The 40 plus years of continuing feuding and brooding, even by some second generation people on who weren't even part of it in the first place.

 

Enough with this one sided bull. The whole thing for BOTH sides with a dark and ghastly point in our history with neither having any right to declare some moral high ground. 

 

If it's still "very raw" for the families half a lifetime on, it says far more about them.

Very true and let's not forget that they brought down the previous democratically elected conservative government.  That should have been decided in the ballot boxes.

[geared]

31 minutes ago, spilldig said:

That should have been decided in the ballot boxes.

 

The requirement for a strike to be officially called by balloting union members was one of the first bits of legislation Thatcher brought in when she won the '79 election.

That same piece of legislation tripped up Scargil and the striking miners and played a large part in their eventual capitulation.

 

Maggy played chess while Arthur was playing chequers.

[dave_the_m]

43 minutes ago, spilldig said:

Very true and let's not forget that they brought down the previous democratically elected conservative government.  That should have been decided in the ballot boxes.

Well, not really. During the winter of 1973/4 the miners had been doing a work-to-rule for a while, then successfully balloted for a strike. A couple of days later, Ted Heath called a general election, hoping to get a clear mandate from the public against the strike. The public voted at the ballot box, the Tories lost 28 seats, and there was a hung parliament.