Ecclesall Road/Abbeydale Road Bus Corridors Receive £3.52 Million Funding

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Planner1 said:

Currently, most weekday daytime bus services are provided by operators for profit. 
 

If they thought they’d make more money by putting on more / more frequent services, they’d do it.

 

Last time I looked, the east end had rail,  tram and bus services and an interchange, so hardly a “crap” public transport system is it?

The tram and tram train don't tend to go where people live but to world student games centers, rail services tend to be roughly in the same place as tram services and including bus and service in the same sentence is probably an oxymoron.

[Planner1]

1 hour ago, Uggy said:

The tram and tram train don't tend to go where people live but to world student games centers, rail services tend to be roughly in the same place as tram services and including bus and service in the same sentence is probably an oxymoron.

Plenty of people live within walking distance of the tram line ( which has quite a few stops) and the interchange.

 

As I said before, if commercial operators thought there was money to be made improving the bus service, they’d do it.

[Planner1]

9 hours ago, Top4719 said:

 

It was campaigned against by people like a friend of mine who has a long established business there that would have been destroyed by this barmy scheme.......and rightly so.

What kind of business?

 

This may not apply to your friend, but many businesses do not have a good understanding of how their customers actually get to them. They assume that the vast majority of people drive to get there, but in most cases, that isn’t the case.  This  is a well known study on the subject. 
 

This leads them to react badly to any proposals to alter parking arrangements outside or near their premises. In terms of retail, studies have shown that people who walk and cycle to retailers actually spend more with retailers in the longer term than car drivers ( who spend more per visit, but visit less frequently).

[SheffieldForum]

Just now, Planner1 said:

What kind of business?

 

This may not apply to your friend, but many businesses do not have a good understanding of how their customers actually get to them. They assume that the vast majority of people drive to get there, but in most cases, that isn’t the case.  This  is a well known study on the subject. 
 

This leads them to react badly to any proposals to alter parking arrangements outside or near their premises. In terms of retail, studies have shown that people who walk and cycle to retailers actually spend more with retailers in the longer term than car drivers ( who spend more per visit, but visit less frequently).

 

There's a reason it is called 'Footfall' and not 'Carfall'.

 

[BigAl1]

They spent a fortune on the bus lanes and associated works on Penistone Road for 6 buses an hour and even less on a Sunday lets hope this is better thought out

[Planner1]

33 minutes ago, BigAl1 said:

They spent a fortune on the bus lanes and associated works on Penistone Road for 6 buses an hour and even less on a Sunday lets hope this is better thought out

A bus every 10 minutes is looked on as a frequent service round here.

 

What is “badly thought out” about the Penistone Rd bus lanes?

[BigAl1]

21 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

A bus every 10 minutes is looked on as a frequent service round here.

 

What is “badly thought out” about the Penistone Rd bus lanes?

for six buses an hour is it really necessary to have a bus lane. On Sundays the bus lane has I think one bus every two hours these days. Most of the jams are from the football ground up past Sainsburys and the retail center where all too frequently you move from red light to red light 

[Planner1]

1 hour ago, BigAl1 said:

for six buses an hour is it really necessary to have a bus lane. On Sundays the bus lane has I think one bus every two hours these days. Most of the jams are from the football ground up past Sainsburys and the retail center where all too frequently you move from red light to red light 

They’ve incorporated bus lanes where they can, with no detriment to other traffic. They cover a fairly short length. My memory is that the length of dual carriageway where you see the bus lanes was a later addition. They just took the opportunity to future proof it and put in the bus lanes, as there was sufficient space.

 

The stretch from the football ground to the end of the dual carriageway at Grenoside has no bus lanes. It gets congested at peak times because of the junction capacity available. There’s no way of improving that unless you widen the road and demolish property.

 

Sunday is a red herring as there are reduced bus services across the network, as demand is much lower and the services that do run are there mostly because the MCA pays for them. Traffic levels are also generally lower, without the normal peaks, so no significant problems on Sundays.

 

So, I’m still unclear on what you think is badly thought out.

[crookesey]

Going back to say the 1970’s, the population was a lot less than today but there were far more jobs to travel to and from than today, and somehow we managed it without all this fuss. 

[Planner1]

25 minutes ago, crookesey said:

Going back to say the 1970’s, the population was a lot less than today but there were far more jobs to travel to and from than today, and somehow we managed it without all this fuss. 

Car ownership and use was significantly lower back then.