crookesey Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 21 minutes ago, Planner1 said: Car ownership and use was significantly lower back then. Where are all these car owners going to and from during the historical rush hours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, crookesey said: Where are all these car owners going to and from during the historical rush hours? Plenty of them taking the kids to school. Going to work is a reasonable guess at rush hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 minute ago, Planner1 said: Plenty of them taking the kids to school. Going to work is a reasonable guess at rush hour. I thought that jobs were scarce these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl1 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 5 hours ago, Planner1 said: Sunday is a red herring as there are reduced bus services across the network, as demand is much lower and the services that do run are there mostly because the MCA pays for them. Traffic levels are also generally lower, without the normal peaks, so no significant problems on Sundays. Usually a bus lane is operative during the busy peak times only so why is this one 24/7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 42 minutes ago, BigAl1 said: Usually a bus lane is operative during the busy peak times only so why is this one 24/7 Horses for courses. 24/7 is better for consistency and clarity. Amazing how many drivers are easily “confused”. Out of peak that road runs fine with the two general traffic lanes, so no advantage to motorists if it was peak hour only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top4719 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 13 hours ago, Planner1 said: What kind of business? This may not apply to your friend, but many businesses do not have a good understanding of how their customers actually get to them. They assume that the vast majority of people drive to get there, but in most cases, that isn’t the case. This is a well known study on the subject. This leads them to react badly to any proposals to alter parking arrangements outside or near their premises. In terms of retail, studies have shown that people who walk and cycle to retailers actually spend more with retailers in the longer term than car drivers ( who spend more per visit, but visit less frequently). He's ran the place for decades, I'm sure he knows a hell of a lot more about his customers than you, that's why he and many others objected to the idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top4719 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 13 hours ago, Planner1 said: What kind of business? This may not apply to your friend, but many businesses do not have a good understanding of how their customers actually get to them. They assume that the vast majority of people drive to get there, but in most cases, that isn’t the case. This is a well known study on the subject. This leads them to react badly to any proposals to alter parking arrangements outside or near their premises. In terms of retail, studies have shown that people who walk and cycle to retailers actually spend more with retailers in the longer term than car drivers ( who spend more per visit, but visit less frequently). What utter rubbish btw, did you write that seriously 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crookesey Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 9 hours ago, Top4719 said: What utter rubbish btw, did you write that seriously 🤣 We should expect no less from this expert on the subject.😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl1 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 12 hours ago, Planner1 said: Horses for courses. 24/7 is better for consistency and clarity. Amazing how many drivers are easily “confused”. Out of peak that road runs fine with the two general traffic lanes, so no advantage to motorists if it was peak hour only. I do agree about the signage issue and resulting confusion a national issue not just Sheffield and one the DAfT should have addressed years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planner1 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 10 hours ago, Top4719 said: What utter rubbish btw, did you write that seriously 🤣 Absolutely serious. The retail perceptions study has been carried out in several places with very similar results. When I worked for another council, I had a student carry out the same study there, in the town centre, covering all retailers, the results were the same but even more pronounced. The problem is that people like yourself dismiss the findings of well researched studies because the results don’t reflect what you believe. There may well be some business owners / managers who do understand how their customer base travel to their premises, but research suggests that the majority don’t and that they vastly over estimate the number that come by car. Theres also ample research that shows that people who walk and cycle to retailers spend more over a period of time than those who come by car. Walkers and cyclists spend less per visit, but visit more frequently, so spend more in the long run. When we are spending millions of pounds of public money, quite rightly we have to produce hard evidence to underpin what we are saying should be done. The evidence is very clear on what I’m saying. Where’s your evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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