Suspended sentence for fatal cyclist accident driver

[geared]

On 28/06/2024 at 19:51, dan_999uk said:

Motorcyclists have an acronym for it, SMIDSY, for "Sorry mate, I didn't see you".

 

People look but they don't see. 

 

They're not always so easy to see though, black bike, black leathers, black helmet and travelling faster than a pedal cycle can usually go.

 

That's not excusing people for not bothering to look obviously.

[dan_999uk]

Just reflects a conventional motorist mentality towards those road users they regard as inferior. 

[AndrewC]

8 minutes ago, The_DADDY said:

No it isn't. It's stating fact. He may well have survived if he was wearing a helmet. 

 

I won't be so harsh on foxydebs as Dan is being but, ask yourself this; is it really the time, the place, the core issue of the subject?

 

Victim blaming doesn't need to have been a deliberate act, you can be guilty of it even if you were only providing a well-meaning suggestion. The major issue with debs advice is that it unnecessarily turns the focus of blame (whether intentional or not) back on a cyclist who has lost their life really through no fault of their own.

[The_DADDY]

7 minutes ago, SheffieldForum said:

 

You may well survive a stabbing if you wear a stab vest.

 

You may well survive a shooting if you wear a bullet-proof vest.

 

You may well survive getting run over if you never go out.

 

Etc, etc.

So you agree?

He might have survived if he was wearing a helmet? 

[The_DADDY]

Just now, AndrewC said:

 

I won't be so harsh on foxydebs as Dan is being but, ask yourself this; is it really the time, the place, the core issue of the subject?

 

Victim blaming doesn't need to have been a deliberate act, you can be guilty of it even if you were only providing a well-meaning suggestion. The major issue with debs advice is that it unnecessarily turns the focus of blame (whether intentional or not) back on a cyclist who has lost their life really through no fault of their own.

I'm sorry but I think it's a fair point to make. As for the timing? I think it's an even fairer point to make whilst it's still fresh in people's minds. It could save a life.

I'm not going to bang on about it though. I've said my bit and I can't be doing with getting drawn in to an argument where emotions are clearly running high. 👍

[AndrewC]

Please can we stop this conversation. As peak4 put it on the previous page:

 

16 minutes ago, peak4 said:

Is any of this relevant, given that the accident was in Sheffield, and friends or relative might come across this thread.

 

[cuttsie]

1 hour ago, The_DADDY said:

That wasn't victim blaming 

It was .It's his fault he wasn't wearing a helmet . Do pedestrian s who get fun over and killed by drivers on phones . At road junctions etc get blamed because they wernt wearing a helmet or high viz jacket . I dint see him sir as usual

[SheffieldForum]

I'm surprised people can't see the victim blaming nature of the comment to be honest.

 

The root cause of the injury is the unsafe driving.

 

Anything to do with wearing a helmet or not, or anything else, is secondary to that.

 

You could just as easily say "If she didn't have a sat nav, she wouldn't have been distracted and wouldn't have crashed into him in the first place" - but nobody is blaming the sat nav for his injuries.

 

[*_ash_*]

3 hours ago, SheffieldForum said:

 

You may well survive a stabbing if you wear a stab vest.

 

You may well survive a shooting if you wear a bullet-proof vest.

 

You may well survive getting run over if you never go out.

 

Etc, etc.

Although this thread seems to have fallen into a bit of an argument about taste... and I don't wish to join in that, 

I don't think this post is logical at all.

 

No one ever suggests wearing a stab vest when you go out, nor wear a bullet proof vest. 

 

Wearing a safety helmet is good advice whenever someone uses a bike/motorbike whether the law or not, not only because you might fall off, but because accidents happen (something I never did btw, and even didn't wear one riding my electric motorbike in China). 

 

I don't think there was any victim blaming... I didn't see in the report how fast anyone was going (it only said the thinking time for the driver was 4 seconds). If the person was coming down Ringinglow road at the Common Lane junction, they could have been doing what I would have been doing years ago, i.e. going very fast and a helmet would make no difference whatsoever. Or they could have slowed to 30 and perhaps it would have made a difference.

 

 

[Cody's Granddad]

Wearing helmets is not compulsory in the UK but is advisable.

So the cyclist has not done anything wrong.

However, I do agree had he been wearing one the outcome may have been different.

I am presuming this car turned right at Fulwood Lane Junction while the cyclist was coming down ringinglow Rd so only the car driver to blame here.