Battle Of Orgreave Enquiry

[Draggletail]

7 hours ago, hauxwell said:

...I think it’s a waste of money holding an inquest, is it going to open old wounds?

It's NEVER too late for the truth to out. I think for very many involved, the wounds are still open. Maybe an enquiry into this will help in healing those wounds. 

[peak4]

7 minutes ago, RollingJ said:

A miner 40 years ago might not even still be here.

So the dead don't deserve justice?

[RollingJ]

12 minutes ago, peak4 said:

So the dead don't deserve justice?

I didn't say that -  stop putting words in my mouth  - I said they couldn't be asked.

[Anna B]

39 minutes ago, peak4 said:

Yes, and I've kinked to it several times previously on other threads which I guess you've missed.
The Ridley Plan/Report, here helpfully scanned and converted to searchable text from the original typed document
http://pont.ist/ridley-plan/

 

Report of Nationalised Industries Policy Group         Orgreave Truth & Justice Campaign.
(The Ridley Plan)

In the 1970s when the Conservative Party was in opposition, they were making clandestine and ruthless plans to develop a more militarised police force to stifle dissent and attempt to destroy organised labour and the British Trade Union movement, introduce a mass privatisation programme and legislate against workers and human rights. In 1977, Tory backbencher Nicholas Ridley presented this report to Tory Party leader, Margaret Thatcher. The Ridley Plan was a detailed blueprint on how to provoke and win a battle against Britain’s Trade Union movement.

The Ridley Plan is necessary reading to understand how we got to where we are today.

 

See Also
Thatcher’s civilising offensive: The Ridley Plan to decivilise the working class University of Winchester

Very interesting, and exactly what the more enlightened amongst us knew all along, but would people listen...? Not a hope. God how they've tried to get the message across. 

Again it shows how Machiavellian the Tory party are, and how deeply they despise the working class even tho' the working class are the means of production that has made this country rich.

 

And it's still going on. Neoliberalism and the mess we're in now is a direct result of Thatcher's reign and determination to move to free market economics. But why would the Tories care? They make sure they're always on the winning team, make their fortunes at any cost and sod the rest....

[ECCOnoob]

2 minutes ago, Anna B said:

Very interesting, and exactly what the more enlightened amongst us knew all along, but would people listen...? Not a hope. God how they've tried to get the message across. 

Again it shows how Machiavellian the Tory party are, and how deeply they despise the working class even tho' the working class are the means of production that has made this country rich.

 

And it's still going on. Neoliberalism and the mess we're in now is a direct result of Thatcher's reign and determination to move to free market economics. But why would the Tories care? They make sure they're always on the winning team, make their fortunes at any cost and sod the rest....

 

Here we go... Get the tin foil hats out everybody... 

 

A perfect example reason why there won't be any "truth" out of any inquiry. Just lots of hot air, campaigning, conspiracy, opinion, electioneering, sensationalism all heavily weighed towards the picture of angelic innocent 'woe is me' miners against the 'big bad Thatcherbot' and her government.  

 

Lots of grandstanding from the Labour party and a good old excuse for everyone to piling on to do some Tory bashing. 

 

Then all the claimant lawyers will be rubbing their hands, ticking away behind the scenes ready to jump in and start pursuing the next payout.

 

As I said on the other thread about this very topic which seemingly disappeared. The strike achieved nothing. It was a pure ego trip for Scargill which wasn't vote passed  nor even supported by his fellow unions.   The industry at the time was a nationalised dinosaur costing more and more money than it was ever making. Vast amounts of the workforce were inefficient, mismanaged, and quite frankly unproductive compared to many of their counterparts. The world had moved on, the production methods moved on, competition drastically increased and consumer choices were expanding... as per usual the bully boy unions buried their heads in the sand and wouldn't accept the reality of change. 

 

He came. He fought and he got his ass handed to him on a plate. 

 

Neither party has any right to be claiming some moral high ground or sense of injustice.  They all contributed to the debacle that followed.  

 

As others have said, its just going to reopen old wounds,  drag up distorted and deluded versions of events, cost huge amounts of public money and resources to achieve a conclusion that no one will be satisfied with until they get what they believe they should be hearing.

[hackey lad]

14 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

Here we go... Get the tin foil hats out everybody... 

 

A perfect example reason why there won't be any "truth" out of any inquiry. Just lots of hot air, campaigning, conspiracy, opinion, electioneering, sensationalism all heavily weighed towards the picture of angelic innocent 'woe is me' miners against the 'big bad Thatcherbot' and her government.  

 

Lots of grandstanding from the Labour party and a good old excuse for everyone to piling on to do some Tory bashing. 

 

Then all the claimant lawyers will be rubbing their hands, ticking away behind the scenes ready to jump in and start pursuing the next payout.

 

As I said on the other thread about this very topic which seemingly disappeared. The strike achieved nothing. It was a pure ego trip for Scargill which wasn't vote passed  nor even supported by his fellow unions.   The industry at the time was a nationalised dinosaur costing more and more money than it was ever making. Vast amounts of the workforce were inefficient, mismanaged, and quite frankly unproductive compared to many of their counterparts. The world had moved on, the production methods moved on, competition drastically increased and consumer choices were expanding... as per usual the bully boy unions buried their heads in the sand and wouldn't accept the reality of change. 

 

He came. He fought and he got his ass handed to him on a plate. 

 

Neither party has any right to be claiming some moral high ground or sense of injustice.  They all contributed to the debacle that followed.  

 

As others have said, its just going to reopen old wounds,  drag up distorted and deluded versions of events, cost huge amounts of public money and resources to achieve a conclusion that no one will be satisfied with until they get what they believe they should be hearing.

[gaz 786]

It will all get covered up like the Hillsborough tragedy leave it in the past where it belongs ..Thatcher started a war and won it she crippled the iron and steelworks and the coal mines god knows what other damage she caused behind closed doors not bad for a shop keepers daughter from Grantham. 

[ECCOnoob]

10 minutes ago, gaz 786 said:

It will all get covered up like the Hillsborough tragedy leave it in the past where it belongs ..Thatcher started a war and won it she crippled the iron and steelworks and the coal mines god knows what other damage she caused behind closed doors not bad for a shop keepers daughter from Grantham. 

 

Behave.  They were already massively crippled. Outdated, wasteful, uncompetitive, and inefficient. They were led by increasingly stubborn dinosaurs propped up by egotistical and bullying unions reluctant, if not completely obstructive, to change and evolution.

 

They were ripe for overhaul and had been left to drift in their delusions far too long. They were continually failing to produce, achieve on their own two feet without constant propping up by taxpayers.

 

Somebody needed to grow some balls, make the tough decisions and stop the rot....  Ironically, it was the first female prime minister who actually did it.

[hackey lad]

Just now, ECCOnoob said:

 

Behave.  They were already massively crippled. Outdated, wasteful, uncompetitive, and inefficient. They were led by increasingly stubborn dinosaurs propped up by egotistical and bullying unions reluctant, if not completely obstructive, to change and evolution.

 

They were ripe for overhaul and had been left to drift in their delusions far too long. They were continually failing to produce, achieve on their own two feet without constant propping up by taxpayers.

 

Somebody needed to grow some balls, make the tough decisions and stop the rot....  Ironically, it was the first female prime minister who actually did it.

Always thought this . They were losing money when open properly and fully manned , so a year long strike just hastened their demise . 

[Al Bundy]

55 minutes ago, ECCOnoob said:

 

Here we go... Get the tin foil hats out everybody... 

 

A perfect example reason why there won't be any "truth" out of any inquiry. Just lots of hot air, campaigning, conspiracy, opinion, electioneering, sensationalism all heavily weighed towards the picture of angelic innocent 'woe is me' miners against the 'big bad Thatcherbot' and her government.  

 

Lots of grandstanding from the Labour party and a good old excuse for everyone to piling on to do some Tory bashing. 

 

Then all the claimant lawyers will be rubbing their hands, ticking away behind the scenes ready to jump in and start pursuing the next payout.

 

As I said on the other thread about this very topic which seemingly disappeared. The strike achieved nothing. It was a pure ego trip for Scargill which wasn't vote passed  nor even supported by his fellow unions.   The industry at the time was a nationalised dinosaur costing more and more money than it was ever making. Vast amounts of the workforce were inefficient, mismanaged, and quite frankly unproductive compared to many of their counterparts. The world had moved on, the production methods moved on, competition drastically increased and consumer choices were expanding... as per usual the bully boy unions buried their heads in the sand and wouldn't accept the reality of change. 

 

He came. He fought and he got his ass handed to him on a plate. 

 

Neither party has any right to be claiming some moral high ground or sense of injustice.  They all contributed to the debacle that followed.  

 

As others have said, its just going to reopen old wounds,  drag up distorted and deluded versions of events, cost huge amounts of public money and resources to achieve a conclusion that no one will be satisfied with until they get what they believe they should be hearing.

Excellent post.