Demonstrations, Riots and Disorder Across the UK Following the Southport Attacks

[Delbow]

24 minutes ago, gamezone07 said:

I am saying abandoning the working class and the poor is poisoning communities, allowing other groups to speak for them, mobilise them. Don't you think people see all the marches for palestine, etc

and wonder 'where are they for me,' as they get evicted to make way for gentrification, as many many have here in Sheffield

 

Oh ,and you are doing the classsic left tactic of trying to shut down discussion on wider but salientc iissues, instead of taking on the arguments.

 

Oh, and you haven't got a 'bee in your bonnet' about bacially open borders, etc...

https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/491894-the-left-the-right-left-wing-right-wing/

[peak4]

38 minutes ago, gamezone07 said:

I see the wider left that congregate around STW,, Stand up to raciscm, etc(SWP fronts) Palestine, are planning large counter protests against the emerging new fash groups

(though many who march are not) k, but here's a thought: why not also march for basic issues: like against the housing crisis and the lack of social housing,

the rentier economy, the huge economic inequalities that poison communities and tuirn against each other.Then yes, what is increasingly looking like a

contraction of the welfare state(pace Osbourne) by the new Gov't.

 

The far left is largely funded by ageing Trots that dominate the movements, with their sour Third Worldism,  while the New New Left and Students are fixated on Identity as well.They use the rallies etc, to recuit gullible youngsters to their

sects and is some cases much woprse.

 

They see working class(who they once saw as the agents of change)  as racists, thickos, etc, and have basically abandoned them . There have been no mass marches etc on the above , since the TUC one in London in 2012.

I'm struggling a bit here; What have Severn Trent Water got to do with this?
Does anyone have any evidence that Stand up to Racism, and "etc" (whoever they may be) are Socialist Workers Party fronts?
As far as I'm aware SWP only has a membership of around 6K; I haven't seen them particularly overt these days compared to when I was younger, and regularly saw their newspaper vendors wandering around Sheffield.

[Al Bundy]

17 minutes ago, Delbow said:

 

Doesn't sound Muslim enough to placate those desperate know the name.

Sounds more like a Brazilian car part.

[redruby]

18 minutes ago, Delbow said:

 

Doesn't sound Muslim enough to placate those desperate know the name.

I read he was born in the UK to Rwandan parents.  Unlikely to be a Muslim.

He likely has mental health issues.  Whether or not he did though, it’s likely tragedies like this will continue to happen though lack of support for those with mental health issues.

[Jim Hardie]

31 minutes ago, Delbow said:

 

Doesn't sound Muslim enough to placate those desperate know the name.

Were you desperate for it to be Taffy Evans?

[redruby]

54 minutes ago, gamezone07 said:

I see the wider left that congregate around STW,, Stand up to raciscm, etc(SWP fronts) Palestine, are planning large counter protests against the emerging new fash groups

(though many who march are not) k, but here's a thought: why not also march for basic issues: like against the housing crisis and the lack of social housing,

the rentier economy, the huge economic inequalities that poison communities and tuirn against each other.Then yes, what is increasingly looking like a

contraction of the welfare state(pace Osbourne) by the new Gov't.

 

The far left is largely funded by ageing Trots that dominate the movements, with their sour Third Worldism,  while the New New Left and Students are fixated on Identity as well.They use the rallies etc, to recuit gullible youngsters to their

sects and is some cases much woprse.

 

They see working class(who they once saw as the agents of change)  as racists, thickos, etc, and have basically abandoned them . There have been no mass marches etc on the above , since the TUC one in London in 2012.

I think you make some valid points but  I don’t think polarising it between left and right is helpful.  My take is that it is perhaps more ‘fashionable’ for want of a better word to support certain causes over others.  So an asylum seeker threatened with deportation can make it into the news and protests made on their behalf,  But who cares about white, working British people that are struggling ? If anything they often get blamed for failing in life even though being white does not it itself give privilege.  Money does. I’m not hard right or even Tory but I see how the hard right manipulate this situation to their own ends and accusing the white working class of being stupid and racist or shutting down debate only makes it worse and empowers the hard right.

[Mister M]

2 hours ago, peak4 said:

Another example of the dangers of misinformation.
Yesterday we has issues at an asylum hostel of some sort in Manchester, which apparently did involve children among the aggressors;
Protest in Manchester erupts into scenes of violence as man dragged off bus and rocks and bottles pelted at police   MEN
The chaotic scenes spilled into Oldham Road as Tactical Aid Unit officers raced to the scene

 

And now;
Lee Anderson’s illegal immigrants post spectacularly backfires  TLE
The Reform UK MP suspected a local Travelodge was housing illegal immigrants. Turns out it was international NHS nurses and their families on holiday.

Anderson took to social media on Wednesday (31/7) in response to concerns that the Travelodge in Sutton in Ashfield was housing people who had entered the country illegally, saying:

“I do not want groups of young men who have entered our country illegally roaming our streets. It is not racist or bigoted to say this. I love my constituency and will do whatever it takes to protect it.”

But he was forced to send an immediate correction after it transpired that the people staying in the hotel were international NHS nurses.

Lee Anderson what a scroat

[echo beach]

50 minutes ago, SheffieldForum said:

The judge has lifted restrictions and the attacker has been named for those desperate to know:

 

Axel Rudakubana.

 

 

Quite right. Even though in law a 17 year old is still ‘ a minor’ anyone capable of committing such a heinous act as this individual  they are no minor in my eyes and their identity shouldn’t be restricted.

The law is an ass and it wants changing.

 

echo.

[HairFarceOne]

11 minutes ago, echo beach said:

Quite right. Even though in law a 17 year old is still ‘ a minor’ anyone capable of committing such a heinous act as this individual  they are no minor in my eyes and their identity shouldn’t be restricted.

The law is an ass and it wants changing.

 

echo.

The problem here is his parents, who are, as far as we are aware, innocent in all this, will find their lives scrutinised and challenged by all and sundry.

[peak4]

7 minutes ago, echo beach said:

Quite right. Even though in law a 17 year old is still ‘ a minor’ anyone capable of committing such a heinous act as this individual  they are no minor in my eyes and their identity shouldn’t be restricted.

The law is an ass and it wants changing.

 

echo.

It seems to me that the law has worked exactly as it should do; the case has been assessed by legal professionals, and the name now release post charging the individual.
I provided a link on this thread, at 23.41 last Tuesday, with quite a good explanation of the reasoning behind this, and the use of the word Terrorist.
Also consider that feelings nationally are quite understandably running high; the surname is unusual in the UK.
Thus far, there hasn't been any suggestion that his immediate family, or anyone else, had prior knowledge or was involved.
It was stated that the family used to live in Cardiff; if there are other people with the same surname living there, then they need to have protection in place before the name was released.
We have already seen EDL attacking the wrong house in Rotherham previously.