Demonstrations, Riots and Disorder Across the UK Following the Southport Attacks

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26 minutes ago, peak4 said:

BBW seem to operate out of 55 Tufton St
In London, a hotbed of ultra-conservative lobbyists just a stone's throw from Westminster   Le Monde

The address where Eurosceptics and climate change sceptics rub shoulders  Independent

 

That doesn't surprise me at all.

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1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

Keir Starmer says facial recognition tech is the answer to far-right riots

https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/05/keir_starmer_facial_recognition/?td=rt-3a

 

Sure it is.... 

 

 

On a more serious note, the comments section is well worth a read for reasoned comment.  I particularly liked this one:

 

 

And the bloke who failed to prosecute Jimmy Saville, and in my opinion started the trend of bullying people through the magistrates court to get them to plead guilty before getting to crown court.

I would like to find out how many cases get abandoned by the prosecution at crown court due to lack of evidence or due to the fact that they have evidence that makes a conviction unlikely.

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3 minutes ago, Alextopman said:

Why should they be our problem and expense while on French soil.

 

something like 100million people are 'displaced' (according to the United Nations commissioner for refugees), roughly half of those people don't even leave their own country.

Of those that do leave, most stop in a neighbouring country. Only a small fraction make it to Britain - more choosing to stop in France/Germany/etc.

 

We have an obligation to help - this is a global phenomenon.

 

an application-and-processing centre in France (for example) would help reduce the number of boat crossings, but it wouldn't make much money for hotel-owning conservative party donors.

[alchresearch]

July:

Prisons in England and Wales will be at ‘breaking point’ in July, governors told

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/20/prisons-in-england-and-wales-will-be-at-breaking-point-in-july-governors-told

 

Today:

‘Prison place waiting’ for far-right rioters, says justice minister

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/06/police-officers-injured-in-plymouth-and-disorder-in-belfast-as-violence-spreads

[Al Bundy]

6 minutes ago, ads36 said:

 

something like 100million people are 'displaced' (according to the United Nations commissioner for refugees), roughly half of those people don't even leave their own country.

Of those that do leave, most stop in a neighbouring country. Only a small fraction make it to Britain - more choosing to stop in France/Germany/etc.

 

We have an obligation to help - this is a global phenomenon.

 

an application-and-processing centre in France (for example) would help reduce the number of boat crossings, but it wouldn't make much money for hotel-owning conservative party donors.

Who are these owners, genuinely interested?

[Al Bundy]

Just now, alchresearch said:

July:

Prisons in England and Wales will be at ‘breaking point’ in July, governors told

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/20/prisons-in-england-and-wales-will-be-at-breaking-point-in-july-governors-told

 

Today:

‘Prison place waiting’ for far-right rioters, says justice minister

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/06/police-officers-injured-in-plymouth-and-disorder-in-belfast-as-violence-spreads

So they are not full then.

 

 

Just dog whistle politics.

[alchresearch]

10 minutes ago, Uggy said:

And the bloke who failed to prosecute Jimmy Saville, and in my opinion started the trend of bullying people through the magistrates court to get them to plead guilty before getting to crown court.

 

 

I remember this gem of his from 2012:

 

'Twitter joke' case only went ahead at insistence of DPP

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/jul/29/paul-chambers-twitter-joke-airport

 

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The director of public prosecutions (DPP) stopped his staff dropping the case against Paul Chambers, author of the "Twitter joke" about blowing up Robin Hood airport in South Yorkshire, it has been claimed.

 

Crown Prosecution Service lawyers had been prepared to back away from one of the most controversial cases in years, telling Chambers that they no longer saw a public interest in opposing his appeal against conviction. Chambers had said he felt "immense relief" that the prosecution – which had seen him lose two jobs and gain a criminal record – appeared to be over and that the authorities seemed ready to restore his good name.

 

The CPS even sent Chambers and his solicitor, free-speech campaigner David Allen Green, papers stating that it now agreed that the case should end.

 

However, at the last minute the DPP, former human rights lawyer Keir Starmer, overruled his subordinates

 

Chambers told the Observer he was "bitterly upset" at Starmer's decision to prosecute.

 

He said: "Mr Starmer was prepared to put me through the worry of yet another hearing, waste yet more taxpayers' money and waste the time of the lord chief justice." The case went ahead and the high court found in Chambers's favour on Friday and overturned his conviction.

 

[alchresearch]

9 minutes ago, ads36 said:

an application-and-processing centre in France (for example) would help reduce the number of boat crossings, but it wouldn't make much money for hotel-owning conservative party donors.

 

The hotels smashed up were Holiday Inns - owned by IHG

 

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IHG does not make party political donations or involve itself in party political matters. See our Code of Conduct for further information on our approach.

 

https://www.ihgplc.com/en/responsible-business/policies-and-position-statements

[Al Bundy]

1 minute ago, alchresearch said:

 

I remember this gem of his from 2012:

 

'Twitter joke' case only went ahead at insistence of DPP

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2012/jul/29/paul-chambers-twitter-joke-airport

 

 

No surprise though is it. 

 

 

[peak4]

6 minutes ago, Al Bundy said:

Who are these owners, genuinely interested?

It's not that hard to find out; how many are Tory chums, I have no idea
https://metro.co.uk/2023/10/25/migrant-hotels-owner-made-3500000-a-day-last-year-to-house-asylum-seekers-19716244/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13429025/UK-Rich-List-2024-Graham-King-Hinduja-Rishi-Sunak-King-Charles.html

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/the-salesmen-making-millions-from-asylum-hotels-k776jfd66

https://theconversation.com/asylum-housing-tycoon-is-among-the-uks-wealthiest-heres-what-conditions-are-like-inside-the-properties-his-company-runs-230428