Demonstrations, Riots and Disorder Across the UK Following the Southport Attacks

[hackey lad]

9 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

Willing to get flamed down here but to play devils advocate

Mass disruption to businesses

Forced the police to deploy extra forces

Clogged up the streets of cities with do-gooders

 

All while the people who "may" have been protesting (again, this was all based on "information from social media") were sat at home having a pint of tetleys and watching re-runs of alf Garnett and didn't even need to do anything in order to generate mayhem and hysteria

 

[RollingJ]

1 minute ago, sheffbag said:

there was the video going around yesterday of what looked like at least 100 people  running towards Barkers pool with sticks and god knows what

but strangely that has been deleted today. If people have seen it then they probably know why

As I have said before, that was about it. When I left the city centre around 4 there wasn't a bit of trouble, and that mini-mob were obviously quickly dispersed.

[hackey lad]

3 minutes ago, sheffbag said:

there was the video going around yesterday of what looked like at least 100 people  running towards Barkers pool with sticks and god knows what

but strangely that has been deleted today. If people have seen it then they probably know why

That’s why I asked .

[gamezone07]

5 hours ago, redruby said:

I am saying it is just of many issues that lead working class people feeling abandoned.  Of course people don’t riot over the council failing to repair council houses alone.

The fact is that if you are a white, working class person living in a council house that is falling apart and dangerous the national media is not interested.  You might get your story into the local news but even then many will be unsympathetic and suspicious (see the thread on Living in Squalor in Parson Cross).  Another issue is the removal of winter fuel payments for all but the very poorest pensioners.  Lots of pensioners that are just above the threshold for these will struggle to keep their homes warm in winter.  They just have to put up and shut up.  Meanwhile if asylum seekers are put in low quality accommodation it makes headline news and there are no shortage of middle class do gooders protesting on their behalf. 

The are also the issues of long waiting lists for hospital appointments, difficulty seeing in GP, the cost of living crisis, overcrowded schools etc etc.  To be clear, this isn’t an excuse for thuggery, but it’s to explain how we got here and why many working class, white people are not happy.  This will continue to simmer and explode again while ever the current narrative on the situation continues.  Ignoring and denying problems doesn’t make them go away and the unrest we are seeing did not come from nowhere.  Far right thugs exploit it when the government fails to deal with these issues.

Not just the council, but the wider left, liberals, etc, they just aren't interested, try putting on events about social care, etc: a few years ago, some of us hosted a meeting on the crisis, ten people including the speaker turned up,

a few months  later a meeting about a guy getting deported, (a decent church guy who really shouldnt have been)  on a rainy monday Night, saw 120 people. It's like a religion to many now, or an ideology, primarily middle clas and especially retired middle class, then you have the open borders radicals. The wider public sees all this, and the global protests, many are living in ****holes(i know i have canvased in the past for socialist parties) , with SSCC neglect, poor or rogue landlords, and says 'what about me.?

 

Doesn't mean they have to right to undertake near pograpoms though. we need an organised working class movement, not liberal angst, which takes on the far right but addresses the concerns of the above.

[redruby]

2 hours ago, RollingJ said:

We appear to be going way off topic - any of the recent posters remember what the initial claimed cause of this stupidity was?

It is not going ‘off topic’, it is going off your preferred narrative.

 

Have a read of this if you want to understand why https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/08/labour-riots-violence-economic-social-factors

 

“Make no mistake: nothing justifies attacking a mosque or a hotel where asylum seekers are housed – not benefit cuts, nor the loss of a job or longer NHS waiting lists. Yet, as I said back in 2011, we are kidding ourselves if we think a spell under lock and key – even when richly deserved – is going to solve deep-seated problems.

To imagine that economic and social factors play no part in what has happened over the past week or so is to inhabit the farthest shores of fantasy island. To borrow a phrase, the government needs to be tough on riots, tough on the causes of riots.”

 

[gamezone07]

3 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

That’s why I asked .

Why has it beend deleted , many many thousands have seen it all over the web, can Sheff Forum inform us why?

its not a good look

[gamezone07]

1 minute ago, redruby said:

It is not going ‘off topic’, it is going off your preferred narrative.

 

Have a read of this if you want to understand why https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/08/labour-riots-violence-economic-social-factors

 

“Make no mistake: nothing justifies attacking a mosque or a hotel where asylum seekers are housed – not benefit cuts, nor the loss of a job or longer NHS waiting lists. Yet, as I said back in 2011, we are kidding ourselves if we think a spell under lock and key – even when richly deserved – is going to solve deep-seated problems.

To imagine that economic and social factors play no part in what has happened over the past week or so is to inhabit the farthest shores of fantasy island. To borrow a phrase, the government needs to be tough on riots, tough on the causes of riots.”

 

Lots of affluent people on here who see things through avery narrow prism, i am on the left, yet i don't recognise their worldview at all.

[RollingJ]

Just now, gamezone07 said:

Lots of affluent people on here who see things through avery narrow prism, i am on the left, yet i don't recognise their worldview at all.

Whose - the lefts?

[sheffbag]

2 minutes ago, gamezone07 said:

Why has it beend deleted , many many thousands have seen it all over the web, can Sheff Forum inform us why?

its not a good look

It was Facebook that it had removed form but here is some footage from Sunday instead

Man attacked outside all bar one

[gamezone07]

4 hours ago, cuttsie said:

You are right of course , but no one is interested in the less well of folk on council estates it seems , you can include some own home owners who are just above the threshold as , they really struggle to make ends meet . As you say it creates unrest and some see the current protests as way to show the anger they feel even though they are not racist . 

There is huge anger with many many pensioners about the cut, yet many guardian liberals are going on about they are happy to lose it, they can afford to, this is fueling the wider unrest, the swamp that the far right are swimming in.