Demonstrations, Riots and Disorder Across the UK Following the Southport Attacks

[gamezone07]

55 minutes ago, peak4 said:

I'm struggling a bit here; What have Severn Trent Water got to do with this?
Does anyone have any evidence that Stand up to Racism, and "etc" (whoever they may be) are Socialist Workers Party fronts?
As far as I'm aware SWP only has a membership of around 6K; I haven't seen them particularly overt these days compared to when I was younger, and regularly saw their newspaper vendors wandering around Sheffield.

STW: Stop the War, sorry ex, SWP,  Lyndsey German, yes they are fronts, see who is on the steering committees, always a SWP central committee member, they still have huge finanacial resources, Wills, etc.

[Baz1]

53 minutes ago, redruby said:

I read he was born in the UK to Rwandan parents.  Unlikely to be a Muslim.

He likely has mental health issues.  Whether or not he did though, it’s likely tragedies like this will continue to happen though lack of support for those with mental health issues.

So are the hate filled mob now going to target ppl from Rwanda?

 

Doubt it.

 

It's pathetic that ppl congregate to cause such disruption and damage- worse when the news feed isn't "news" but false messages.

[echo beach]

4 minutes ago, HairFarceOne said:

The problem here is his parents, who are, as far as we are aware, innocent in all this, will find their lives scrutinised and challenged by all and sundry.

As far as I’m aware parents have a responsibility for the upbringing of their children although I have to admit that more and more are abrogating that duty.

I certainly knew where my sons were and what they were doing.

 

echo.

[gamezone07]

46 minutes ago, redruby said:

I think you make some valid points but  I don’t think polarising it between left and right is helpful.  My take is that it is perhaps more ‘fashionable’ for want of a better word to support certain causes over others.  So an asylum seeker threatened with deportation can make it into the news and protests made on their behalf,  But who cares about white, working British people that are struggling ? If anything they often get blamed for failing in life even though being white does not it itself give privilege.  Money does. I’m not hard right or even Tory but I see how the hard right manipulate this situation to their own ends and accusing the white working class of being stupid and racist or shutting down debate only makes it worse and empowers the hard right.

thats basically what i am saying,  an absence of  for what of a better term, the old left in these communities who cared about them, understood their concerns, belive me the New New Left don't as you say.

 

I am calling for a long and dedicated campaign to win these people back, there are no short cuts, labour are not going to do it, though i hope Angela can push some things,

and people will get even more angrier, sometimes attack the wrong targets, etc, though wanting intergration and limits on migration are not wrong.

 

i can't see it happening

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[gamezone07]

Btw, the Guardian has suspended its comment facility fpr its daily politics section, i wonder why, I would imagine the liberal left are floundering a bit.

[SheffieldForum]

Just now, gamezone07 said:

Btw, the Guardian has suspended its comment facility fpr its daily politics section, i wonder why, I would imagine the liberal left are floundering a bit.

 

You literally can't post without somehow shoehorning in a generalised label can you?

 

You can't say you haven't been warned.

 

 

[gamezone07]

Well, who is it, who runs the Guardian, its not Mick Lynch,

[SheffieldForum]

Just now, gamezone07 said:

Well, who is it, who runs the Guardian, its not Mick Lynch,

 

What??!

 

What has The Guardian got to do with this topic?

 

[gamezone07]

Because they seem to be closing down debate on the rise of this new extreme right, i dont want it to rise, i want it to be challenged, but by a revitalised working class left, not the identarians we have now.

 

i can't belive you want to remove references to political positions, i am not a liberal HNH type, i will leave it here.

Edited August 1 by gamezone07

[High Chaparral]

1 hour ago, redruby said:

I read he was born in the UK to Rwandan parents.  Unlikely to be a Muslim.

He likely has mental health issues.  Whether or not he did though, it’s likely tragedies like this will continue to happen though lack of support for those with mental health issues.

The mental health issues was used as a defence for the person responsibility for the attacks in Nottingham last year. The families of the victims are not happy he was not convicted of murder.