Demonstrations, Riots and Disorder Across the UK Following the Southport Attacks

[Delbow]

8 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

Well , Lisa Nandy seemed to think that  . A clever woman like her .

 

Do you actually have anything useful or intelligible to offer?

[peak4]

Obviously the video wasn't faked, but has anyone been able to link it to that asylum hotel/hosted, or even an asylum seeker?
Britain First, Patriotic Alternative etc would like you to believe the association, which they claimed a link (allegedly) which no doubt did fuel the riot there.
Mobilising the mob: How far-right fuelled asylum hotel riot with malicious rumour and misinformation

‘Misinformation and rumour’ over viral video showing a teenage girl being harassed saw hundreds converge on Suites Hotel, Lizzie Dearden writes

Tuesday 14 February 2023 12:37 GMT  Independent

Police have not established whether the man in the footage is an asylum seeker, or if he lives in the Merseyside area, and say that local concerns have been fuelled by “misinformation and rumour”.

The enemies within: How the pandemic radicalised Britain   Liv Post   Clearly some people believed the message (which may have subsequently verified)
The riots have been blamed on everything from the economy to Elon Musk. But the networks that mobilised violence on our streets were forged in opposition to vaccines and lockdowns

Connie’s fears, and the fears of others in the town, stemmed from a video of an asylum seeker who had been placed in the Suites Hotel by the government, albeit briefly. In the video, he approaches a 15-year-old girl in nearby Kirkby and asks for her number. “You don’t do this in this country. You go to jail if you do this,” the girl replies.

The video was widely shared online, the Knowsley rumour mill went into overdrive and before anyone had the chance to take stock, a large cloud of acrid smoke had risen above the streets of Kirkby and missiles were raining down on the police. 

Even by the time of this case, it looks like there was no firm evidence of the identity of the guy in the video
Three women cleared over Knowsley asylum hotel clashes  BBC (but it seems the narrative from the far right groups sharing it worked quite well)

The jury had heard Ms Elliott, of St Helens, was shown on camera shouting: "Get them out".

In a police interview, she told officers she believed men in the hotel were "raping" children.

She said she had never been to a protest before, and added: "I won't be attending another protest again, that's for sure."

The court heard there was "ill feeling" in the local area after a video, appearing to show an asylum seeker from the hotel asking a 15-year-old girl for her phone number and a kiss, was shared on social media.

[Prettytom]

1 hour ago, alchresearch said:

 

This is why they're going after hotels:

 

Labour's Lisa Nandy in 2021 after they were harassing schoolgirls:

 

MP calls for Wigan hotel to stop housing asylum-seekers after incident involving schoolgirl

https://www.wigantoday.net/news/mp-calls-for-wigan-hotel-to-stop-housing-asylum-seekers-after-incident-involving-schoolgirl-3391661

 

2023:

The tensions were sparked by a video circulated on social media appearing to show a refugee aggressively propositioning a local 15 year old girl for sex. 

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-truth-about-knowsley/

 

Why is that an excuse for trying to burn people out of a building?

 

You’ve absolutely lost your mind if you think that is even a vague justification.

Edited August 15 by Prettytom

[geared]

Prison time is coming thick and fast, much like those being send down, they were quick to jump to conclusions and don't have much going on upstairs.

 

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Stuart Bolton, 38, drove more than 50 miles from his home in New Holland, North Lincolnshire, to hurl racist abuse at police.

Bolton was jailed for two years and eight months after pleading guilty to the violent disorder.

The judge also confiscated the Mercedes car Bolton used to drive to Rotherham, after hearing he was disqualified from driving and had no insurance, and banned him from driving for three years.

 

[peak4]

1 hour ago, hackey lad said:

Well , Lisa Nandy seemed to think that  . A clever woman like her .

Well she is, but I suspect you may have misunderstood her intentions

Wigan MP Lisa Nandy said she was appalled that the Britannia Hotel in Standish was being used to accommodate vulnerable asylum-seekers again, several years after both the Home Office and services operator Serco accepted that it was completely unsuitable for the purpose, and had done so with no notice or consultation with the police, council, herself or the local community.

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“The Home Office must stop treating councils and communities with contempt and work with our local authority to ensure suitable alternative accommodation.”

She said she was appalled that Home Secretary Priti Patel hadn’t even "had the courtesy to respond" to a letter of concern she had sent her on the issue.

 

Some of the mums are pretty smart too

One mum said: “The behaviour of a small number of men from the Britannia Hotel has been causing a lot of upset.

“They clearly need educating. If you flee from your own country and want to be accepted in a new one, then you need to learn the new country’s ways.

“The last thing we want is all the right-wing thugs using this as an excuse to bring their toxic messages to Wigan again and whipping up racism.”

[Al Bundy]

8 minutes ago, peak4 said:

Well she is, but I suspect you may have misunderstood her intentions

Wigan MP Lisa Nandy said she was appalled that the Britannia Hotel in Standish was being used to accommodate vulnerable asylum-seekers again, several years after both the Home Office and services operator Serco accepted that it was completely unsuitable for the purpose, and had done so with no notice or consultation with the police, council, herself or the local community.

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“The Home Office must stop treating councils and communities with contempt and work with our local authority to ensure suitable alternative accommodation.”

She said she was appalled that Home Secretary Priti Patel hadn’t even "had the courtesy to respond" to a letter of concern she had sent her on the issue.

 

Some of the mums are pretty smart too

One mum said: “The behaviour of a small number of men from the Britannia Hotel has been causing a lot of upset.

“They clearly need educating. If you flee from your own country and want to be accepted in a new one, then you need to learn the new country’s ways.

“The last thing we want is all the right-wing thugs using this as an excuse to bring their toxic messages to Wigan again and whipping up racism.”

Lisa Nandy smart?

 

The same Lisa Nandy who said Trans women should be in a prison of their choosing, that Lisa Nandy?

 

 

 

[pfifes]

2 hours ago, peak4 said:

Well she is, but I suspect you may have misunderstood her intentions

Wigan MP Lisa Nandy said she was appalled that the Britannia Hotel in Standish was being used to accommodate vulnerable asylum-seekers again, several years after both the Home Office and services operator Serco accepted that it was completely unsuitable for the purpose, and had done so with no notice or consultation with the police, council, herself or the local community.

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“The Home Office must stop treating councils and communities with contempt and work with our local authority to ensure suitable alternative accommodation.”

She said she was appalled that Home Secretary Priti Patel hadn’t even "had the courtesy to respond" to a letter of concern she had sent her on the issue.

 

Some of the mums are pretty smart too

One mum said: “The behaviour of a small number of men from the Britannia Hotel has been causing a lot of upset.

“They clearly need educating. If you flee from your own country and want to be accepted in a new one, then you need to learn the new country’s ways.

“The last thing we want is all the right-wing thugs using this as an excuse to bring their toxic messages to Wigan again and whipping up racism.”

That’s a fair point Peak but whilst I understand why you put the final paragraph in bold to make your point, I think in general more needs to be to promote the message in the paragraph before it.  Perhaps the solution to these riots is better education in this respect. 

 

“They clearly need educating. If you flee from your own country and want to be accepted in a new one, then you need to learn the new country’s ways.‘
 

 

[Delbow]

7 minutes ago, pfifes said:

 

 

“They clearly need educating. If you flee from your own country and want to be accepted in a new one, then you need to learn the new country’s ways.‘
 

 

 

All day drinking, burning libraries and taking your kids to a riot.

[pfifes]

33 minutes ago, Delbow said:

 

All day drinking, burning libraries and taking your kids to a riot.

No Delbow.  Not educated to be an ignorant thug.  Educated to be a law abiding, respectable citizen like most of us are.  
 

Saracasm like that isn’t helpful.  You might be joking but it’s still divisive.  Not all immigrants are perfect just the same as British citizens.  There are good and bad in all cultures.  Stop making comments implying all British people should be ashamed of themselves!

 

[peak4]

50 minutes ago, pfifes said:

That’s a fair point Peak but whilst I understand why you put the final paragraph in bold to make your point, I think in general more needs to be to promote the message in the paragraph before it.  Perhaps the solution to these riots is better education in this respect. 

“They clearly need educating. If you flee from your own country and want to be accepted in a new one, then you need to learn the new country’s ways.‘

I would suggest the solution to the riots is to deal with the far right influencers who use the genuine concerns of the UK citizens to bolster their support, often by misrepresentation or blatant lies; I would suggest that includes a few mainstream politicians and quite a few journalists.
The previous government deliberately throttled the asylum process, in order  to introduce longer and longer waiting lists,  claiming it would act as a deterrent.
Other countries sped up the process and provided the very educational classes you (and I) would advocate.
Here's a German example.
Learning German as a refugee Stephanie Höppner 06/10/2017June 10, 2017
Asylum seekers lacking language skills have poor chances in the job market and earn less.

The German language is essential in finding an apartment, participating in society and pursuing an education.

Who is allowed and who must participate in an integration course?

That has changed considerably  over the past years: asylum seekers and those with a "tolerated right to stay" were excluded from the courses until 2015 as the condition for participation was a residence permit.

Since October 2015, asylum seekers and people who have been granted temporary stay and who have a good chance of remaining in Germany are allowed to participate in the courses. That includes people from Syria, Iraq, Eritrea, Iran and Somalia. 

If asylum has been granted, the integration courses are an obligation for refugees - provided that a German city's foreigners office has commissioned it.

The courses are offered everywhere in the country - whether it be by adult education centers, welfare associations, clubs or private institutions.