Demonstrations, Riots and Disorder Across the UK Following the Southport Attacks

[Delbow]

10 minutes ago, El Cid said:

I watch a clip on social media only a few hours before I read about that story, I will Google. Maybe I didn't remember it properly, not sure.

 

Despite children in care making up less than 1% of the population, the latest statistics from an independent government review released this year showed that care leavers make up 25% of prison and homeless populations in this country.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/children-in-care-prison-social-care-b1964142.html

 

 

 

Cheers, I took your original post as meaning that the majority of prisoners were care leavers. 

 

Not that growing up in care is an easy start in life, it is anything but. 

[pfifes]

This is genuine question so please don’t jump on me 🙂

This guy has been jailed for 20 months for ‘shouting at a police dog and using racist slurs’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2nm5jgxlko
 Now I agree he’s a horrible person, racism is inexcusable and he has previous convictions.  I’m not necessarily saying that sentence is too harsh but given that I’m often astonished by the leniency of sentences for serious crimes I’m surprised by the length of this sentence.  A random example is this case of a policewoman who was deliberately knocked down by a car and then driven over.  The person responsible was given a two-week prison sentence suspended for 18 months, a drug rehabilitation order and was disqualified from driving.  

https://policeprofessional.com/news/injured-officer-appalled-at-lenient-sentence-given-to-woman-who-drove-over-her/
 

[The_DADDY]

8 minutes ago, pfifes said:

This is genuine question so please don’t jump on me 🙂

This guy has been jailed for 20 months for ‘shouting at a police dog and using racist slurs’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2nm5jgxlko
 Now I agree he’s a horrible person, racism is inexcusable and he has previous convictions.  I’m not necessarily saying that sentence is too harsh but given that I’m often astonished by the leniency of sentences for serious crimes I’m surprised by the length of this sentence.  A random example is this case of a policewoman who was deliberately knocked down by a car and then driven over.  The person responsible was given a two-week prison sentence suspended for 18 months, a drug rehabilitation order and was disqualified from driving.  

https://policeprofessional.com/news/injured-officer-appalled-at-lenient-sentence-given-to-woman-who-drove-over-her/
 

Compared to the sentences perpetrators of serious crime get these days I'd say that's an outrageously large sentence. 

Calling a police dog names???

Oh dear. 

Did it get PTSD?

Which in this case is Poor Traumatised Stressed Doggie?

Ridiculous. 

Edited August 20 by The_DADDY
DAMN AUTOCORRECT AGAIN!!!🤣

[hackey lad]

7 minutes ago, pfifes said:

This is genuine question so please don’t jump on me 🙂

This guy has been jailed for 20 months for ‘shouting at a police dog and using racist slurs’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2nm5jgxlko
 Now I agree he’s a horrible person, racism is inexcusable and he has previous convictions.  I’m not necessarily saying that sentence is too harsh but given that I’m often astonished by the leniency of sentences for serious crimes I’m surprised by the length of this sentence.  A random example is this case of a policewoman who was deliberately knocked down by a car and then driven over.  The person responsible was given a two-week prison sentence suspended for 18 months, a drug rehabilitation order and was disqualified from driving.  

https://policeprofessional.com/news/injured-officer-appalled-at-lenient-sentence-given-to-woman-who-drove-over-her/
 

Kier Starmer trying to be the boss man , nothing more. 

[peak4]

6 minutes ago, pfifes said:

This is genuine question so please don’t jump on me 🙂

This guy has been jailed for 20 months for ‘shouting at a police dog and using racist slurs’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2nm5jgxlko
 Now I agree he’s a horrible person, racism is inexcusable and he has previous convictions.  I’m not necessarily saying that sentence is too harsh but given that I’m often astonished by the leniency of sentences for serious crimes I’m surprised by the length of this sentence.  A random example is this case of a policewoman who was deliberately knocked down by a car and then driven over.  The person responsible was given a two-week prison sentence suspended for 18 months, a drug rehabilitation order and was disqualified from driving.  

https://policeprofessional.com/news/injured-officer-appalled-at-lenient-sentence-given-to-woman-who-drove-over-her/
 

I'd suggest that the BBC report is a bit too brief to get the full picture.
Here's a more detailed one; don't forget he also pleaded guilty having seen the evidence against him.
He had already been arrested once, escorted away, de-arrested and went back to join the fray
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/man-released-police-went-back-9496337

If the charge was affray, the sentencing guidelines are here; courts do seem to stick fairly rigidly to them
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/affray-2/

 

[peak4]

Sorry, scrub the previous sentencing guidelines, it seems the charge was Violent Disorder now I've re-read the article properly

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/violent-disorder-2/

[pfifes]

2 minutes ago, peak4 said:

I'd suggest that the BBC report is a bit too brief to get the full picture.
Here's a more detailed one; don't forget he also pleaded guilty having seen the evidence against him.
He had already been arrested once, escorted away, de-arrested and went back to join the fray
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/man-released-police-went-back-9496337

If the charge was affray, the sentencing guidelines are here; courts do seem to stick fairly rigidly to them
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magistrates-court/item/affray-2/

 

Yes, I’d seen there was some more to it than the headline, but even so compared to the very lenient sentences given to some serious crimes it is surprising.

[El Cid]

15 minutes ago, pfifes said:

This is genuine question so please don’t jump on me 🙂

This guy has been jailed for 20 months for ‘shouting at a police dog and using racist slurs’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2nm5jgxlko
 Now I agree he’s a horrible person, racism is inexcusable and he has previous convictions.  I’m not necessarily saying that sentence is too harsh but given that I’m often astonished by the leniency of sentences for serious crimes I’m surprised by the length of this sentence.  A random example is this case of a policewoman who was deliberately knocked down by a car and then driven over.  The person responsible was given a two-week prison sentence suspended for 18 months, a drug rehabilitation order and was disqualified from driving.  

https://policeprofessional.com/news/injured-officer-appalled-at-lenient-sentence-given-to-woman-who-drove-over-her/
 

 

Bristol Crown Court heard he played a "prominent" role in trying to goad police.

 

I am generally not in favour of locking people up, it costs the taxpayer millions and they come out of jail the same person.

These people have been involved in a riot where buildings/vehicles have been damaged and police officers have been injured. So the judges will work from sentencing guidelines, we don't know all the facts. The media and posters on social media need to make the story interesting, so facts are sometimes not important.

[pfifes]

8 minutes ago, El Cid said:

 

Bristol Crown Court heard he played a "prominent" role in trying to goad police.

 

I am generally not in favour of locking people up, it costs the taxpayer millions and they come out of jail the same person.

These people have been involved in a riot where buildings/vehicles have been damaged and police officers have been injured. So the judges will work from sentencing guidelines, we don't know all the facts. The media and posters on social media need to make the story interesting, so facts are sometimes not important.

Obviously, they are trying to send out a message.  I would be more supportive of this though if equivalent or more serious crimes generally received less leniency. 

 

[peak4]

Just now, pfifes said:

Obviously, they are trying to send out a message.  I would be more supportive of this though if equivalent or more serious crimes generally received less leniency. 

 

If you follow that BristolLive link, there is a bit of explanation about how the judge decided on the sentence imposed.
I did have a brief look at the other link you showed, but couldn't immediately find the judges sentencing remarks for Dakota Henton, the driver.
I'm not sure which ones get published and which don't, there might be something on Bailii; I'm guessing since it was a drug issue, as well as having kids taken into care,  so the judge decided that treatment may be better offered outside prison, but it was a suspended sentence, so can be recalled to court if she defaults on the drug rehab program.