Israel / Gaza / Lebanon / Iran War Thread

[Alextopman]

What better way to test our Pilots and defence capabilities.

It does make you wonder.

[Vrsaljko]

8 hours ago, mafya said:

The USA and others support Israel that is an apartheid state that is continuously annexing Palestinian land,  controlling how Palestinians live including food, water and electric and  uses military detention to lock up palestinians including young children for years on end without charge.

Iran isn’t Snow White but you can’t expect them to get attacked and then not retaliate.

Israel is its own worst enemy and it constantly has to be the victim in order to ride roughshod over everyone else and then they wonder why not everyone like Israel.

Israel is a state not aJewish and people need to stop conflating the two.

 

Yeah, it's bad. But what Iran has been funding Hamas to do is also bad and arguably worse. Once you start putting babies in ovens then you lose the moral high ground in my opinion.

 

Also, why is so much Muslim outrage aimed at Israel, yet we never hear a peep about China? Uyghur Muslims are being shipped off on trains to have their organs harvested and then disappear. Could it be because the Chinese aren't Jewish by any chance...

Edited April 14 by Vrsaljko

[mafya]

42 minutes ago, Vrsaljko said:

Yeah, it's bad. But what Iran has been funding Hamas to do is also bad and arguably worse. Once you start putting babies in ovens then you lose the moral high ground in my opinion.

 

Also, why is so much Muslim outrage aimed at Israel, yet we never hear a peep about China? Uyghur Muslims are being shipped off on trains to have their organs harvested and then disappear. Could it be because the Chinese aren't Jewish by any chance...

No babies were put in ovens on Oct 7th and yes there was outrage at china over the uyghur Muslims  and the so called re education camps.

Israel does not represent Hewish people, did you not read the bit where I put that we must not conflate Jews and Israel?

 

[mafya]

21 hours ago, Vrsaljko said:

It's a bit rich saying Iran should be able to defend itself. Israel wouldn't be retaliating if Iran hadn't kicked it off by massively funding Hamas and other groups who are targeting Israel.

If Israel didn’t do what it has been doing for decades there would be no need for groups like Hamas, PLO etc etc…

[Vrsaljko]

30 minutes ago, mafya said:

No babies were put in ovens on Oct 7th

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/warning-graphic-content-hamas-terrorist-attack-israel

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/head-of-israels-ems-service-describes-horror-of-seeing-babies-slaughtered-by-hamas/

[mafya]

54 minutes ago, Vrsaljko said:

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/warning-graphic-content-hamas-terrorist-attack-israel

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/head-of-israels-ems-service-describes-horror-of-seeing-babies-slaughtered-by-hamas/

The truth=
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2023/10/13/watching-the-watchdogs-babies-and-truth-die-together-in-israel-palestine

[mafya]

57 minutes ago, Vrsaljko said:

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/warning-graphic-content-hamas-terrorist-attack-israel

 

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/news/head-of-israels-ems-service-describes-horror-of-seeing-babies-slaughtered-by-hamas/

A very interesting article here=
https://theintercept.com/2024/02/07/gaza-israel-netanyahu-propaganda-lies-palestinians/

[Jim Hardie]

There’s nothing new under the sun.

 

https://doughboy.org/why-murder-of-babies-is-the-pinnacle-of-war-propaganda-in-wwi-and-now/

[peak4]

1 hour ago, mafya said:

No babies were put in ovens on Oct 7th ...................................

True as far as I can tell, but the tales are out there and continue to be repeated unfortunately.
The first paragraph provides a link to an hour long video for those who genuinely want to have some idea of the truth, rather than regurgitating propaganda, but be warned, it's not easy viewing/
War on Gaza: Al Jazeera tells the 7 October story that British media will not  MEE

New documentary reveals how false and inflammatory allegations made their way into the journalistic mainstream 

Forensic. Sober. Clear-sighted. Scrupulous. Al Jazeera’s investigative unit has produced a film that tells the story of what really happened on 7 October.

This authoritative documentary does not flinch from detailing the atrocities and war crimes carried out by Hamas. But it shows beyond reasonable doubt that many of the lurid accounts that emerged from Israeli sources were false. 

 

Zaka May Have Cost Israel Its Case Against Hamas  Haaretz investigation into Zaka

 

AMERICAN MEDIA KEEP CITING ZAKA — THOUGH ITS OCTOBER 7 ATROCITY STORIES ARE DISCREDITED IN ISRAEL  The Intercept
Israeli media has debunked the ultra-Orthodox group’s stories, but the New York Times won’t say so.

In the case of the butchered mother and fetus, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz concluded the killing “simply didn’t happen.” As for the tortured family, no one killed in Be’eri matches Landau’s account. The one brother and sister to die in the kibbutz were 12-year-old twins, killed when an Israeli general ordered a tank to fire on a house where Hamas militants were holding them hostage. 

 

See also
"If You Say Anything to Anyone, a Zaka Van Will Run You Over"
The Sordid History of the Zaka Rescue Service

 

There's a possibility the burned baby may have happened, but in 1948; difficult to comfirm, though there are various different reports
Deir Yassin makes a mockery of Israel’s “never again” pledge  The Electronic Intifada 2022; I'm never sure how reliable as a source, but often seems to be correct., 

My grandmother, nearly 10, and her five younger siblings remained at home.

Inside the bakery, my great-grandmother and great aunt witnessed a horrific scene that continues to haunt me.

My grandmother often shared this story with us because she believed it was our responsibility to never forget.

While holding villagers in the bakery hostage, Zionist soldiers ordered the baker, Hussein al-Shareef from the town of Lydd, to throw his son Abdul Rauf into the burning oven. After refusing, the soldiers knocked Hussein to the ground and proceeded to throw Abdul Rauf into the oven while his father watched.

“Follow your son. He needs you there,” said one of the soldiers before throwing Hussein in next.

 

[mafya]

1 minute ago, peak4 said:

True as far as I can tell, but the tales are out there and continue to be repeated unfortunately.
The first paragraph provides a link to an hour long video for those who genuinely want to have some idea of the truth, rather than regurgitating propaganda, but be warned, it's not easy viewing/
War on Gaza: Al Jazeera tells the 7 October story that British media will not  MEE

New documentary reveals how false and inflammatory allegations made their way into the journalistic mainstream 

Forensic. Sober. Clear-sighted. Scrupulous. Al Jazeera’s investigative unit has produced a film that tells the story of what really happened on 7 October.

This authoritative documentary does not flinch from detailing the atrocities and war crimes carried out by Hamas. But it shows beyond reasonable doubt that many of the lurid accounts that emerged from Israeli sources were false. 

 

Zaka May Have Cost Israel Its Case Against Hamas  Haaretz investigation into Zaka

 

AMERICAN MEDIA KEEP CITING ZAKA — THOUGH ITS OCTOBER 7 ATROCITY STORIES ARE DISCREDITED IN ISRAEL  The Intercept
Israeli media has debunked the ultra-Orthodox group’s stories, but the New York Times won’t say so.

In the case of the butchered mother and fetus, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz concluded the killing “simply didn’t happen.” As for the tortured family, no one killed in Be’eri matches Landau’s account. The one brother and sister to die in the kibbutz were 12-year-old twins, killed when an Israeli general ordered a tank to fire on a house where Hamas militants were holding them hostage. 

 

See also
"If You Say Anything to Anyone, a Zaka Van Will Run You Over"
The Sordid History of the Zaka Rescue Service

 

There's a possibility the burned baby may have happened, but in 1948; difficult to comfirm, though there are various different reports
Deir Yassin makes a mockery of Israel’s “never again” pledge  The Electronic Intifada 2022; I'm never sure how reliable as a source, but often seems to be correct., 

My grandmother, nearly 10, and her five younger siblings remained at home.

Inside the bakery, my great-grandmother and great aunt witnessed a horrific scene that continues to haunt me.

My grandmother often shared this story with us because she believed it was our responsibility to never forget.

While holding villagers in the bakery hostage, Zionist soldiers ordered the baker, Hussein al-Shareef from the town of Lydd, to throw his son Abdul Rauf into the burning oven. After refusing, the soldiers knocked Hussein to the ground and proceeded to throw Abdul Rauf into the oven while his father watched.

“Follow your son. He needs you there,” said one of the soldiers before throwing Hussein in next.

 

 

I have already seen the Al Jazeera program about the story the British media won’t tell.

People need to wake up to the lies we are being fed .