Israel / Gaza / Lebanon / Iran War Thread

[BigPP]

2 hours ago, hauxwell said:

I have no links on the private security but was told about this by someone who works at the Jewish Girl’s Teaching College in Gateshead and I have seen security standing on streets when driving past the area the odd time. 

The only thing I can find relating to this is from 2016 which suggests there is nothing new here.

 

https://mishpacha.com/times-dont-change-in-gateshead/

 

"Yeshivah buildings, and other Jewish institutions in Gateshead, are protected by the Community Security Trust and by unarmed guards, in a country where police do not carry arms except in special circumstances."

 

Nevertheless, I have no doubt there are incidents of abuse against Jews just as sadly there are against many other minority groups in this country. 

 

 

[peak4]

13 hours ago, Al Bundy said:

It's absolutely disgraceful.

Yes, it's disgraceful that they should feel the need to.
CST have likely had a presence there for some time, and may or may not have increased their staffing and or visibility.

Record funding will protect Jewish communities from harm   HMG Feb 2024
Jewish communities will receive dedicated security and protection thanks to the biggest financial commitment ever made by the government to tackle antisemitism.

At the Community Security Trust’s (CST) annual dinner last night (Wednesday 28th February), Prime Minister Rishi Sunak pledged to give the organisation, which was established to protect Jewish community sites, more than £70 million over the next 4 years, as part of the Jewish Community Protective Security Grant. The funding will increase security at a range of Jewish buildings across the country, including schools, synagogues and other facilities used by the Jewish community. 

 

Meanwhile, in other news

Islamophobia report highlights Conservative party’s institutional failings  Financial Times.

Highly critical inquiry says comments used by prime minister were insensitive to Muslim communities

 

Fortunately there is action being taken to protect other religious institutions too; I wonder now much the necessity for this is due to the previous link.
£117m to protect UK mosques and Muslim schools from hate attacks  BBC

More than £117m will be spent to protect mosques, Muslim schools and community centres in the UK from hate attacks over the next four years, the government says.

Home Secretary James Cleverly said the investment would give "reassurance and confidence" to British Muslims.

It will be spent on measures including CCTV cameras, alarms and fencing.

The announcement comes in response to concerns the Israel-Hamas conflict is fuelling division in the UK.

Mr Cleverly said: "Anti-Muslim hatred has absolutely no place in our society. We will not let events in the Middle East be used as an excuse to justify abuse against British Muslims.

"The prime minister has made clear that we stand with Muslims in the UK.

See Also

https://muslimcensus.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/MuslimCensus-x-MEND.pdf

Overall, 35%of Mosques experience a religiously motivated attack at least once a year. 

Of the mosques that have experienced attacks, 83% have been attacked at least once a year.

Overall again, 9% report that their Mosque or Islamic institution is the target of attacks “very frequently” defined as at least every 3 months.

 

I'm genuinely  curious as to whether the need in Gateshead etc. is a perceived threat, or a real one; if the latter, then it should certainly be condemned every bit as much as threats to any other group or individual. 
If a perceived threat, then some actvist groups, maybe even the CAA, are achieving their ends.
It may be a mixture of the two of course

[hauxwell]

1 hour ago, BigPP said:

The only thing I can find relating to this is from 2016 which suggests there is nothing new here.

 

https://mishpacha.com/times-dont-change-in-gateshead/

 

"Yeshivah buildings, and other Jewish institutions in Gateshead, are protected by the Community Security Trust and by unarmed guards, in a country where police do not carry arms except in special circumstances."

 

Nevertheless, I have no doubt there are incidents of abuse against Jews just as sadly there are against many other minority groups in this country. 

 

 

I have been told there is more security and extra police patrols in the Jewish area particularly near the Woman's Jewish Teaching College where quite a few of the girls are from Israel training to be teachers.

[janie48]

14 hours ago, peak4 said:

I'm sad to say if you've seen it repeated on any mainstream news channel, those reports likely pale into insignificance compared to some of the stuff I wish I hadn't seen; no, unusually for me, I'm not posting links to any of the Twitter stuff. I've certainly not visited the Telegram channels etc 😢

 Well what I saw was bad enough, wouldn't wish to see worse, but details of horrific war crimes need to be exposed.

[cressida]

1 hour ago, janie48 said:

 Well what I saw was bad enough, wouldn't wish to see worse, but details of horrific war crimes need to be exposed.

They do,  and it needs to be condemned,  the countries need to take responsibility and have to be answerable,  the

problem is how do we sanction them.

[janie48]

49 minutes ago, cressida said:

They do,  and it needs to be condemned,  the countries need to take responsibility and have to be answerable,  the

problem is how do we sanction them.

Really don't know what can  can be done  Cressida.

What I do know is that there are many Jewish people who against the actions of the Israeli government.  Mostly those who don't live in Israel and probably those who do but are afraid to speak out because of the consequences.

 

 

[cressida]

Just now, janie48 said:

Really don't know what can  can be done  Cressida.

What I do know is that there are many Jewish people who against the actions of the Israeli government.  Mostly those who don't live in Israel and probably those who do but are afraid to speak out because of the consequences.

 

 

Very true,  it's affecting Jewish and Muslim peoples in peaceful countries,  this problem shouldn't be settled entirely by

partisan countries - and buffer zones can't stop missiles.

[janie48]

2 minutes ago, cressida said:

Very true,  it's affecting Jewish and Muslim peoples in peaceful countries,  this problem shouldn't be settled entirely by

partisan countries - and buffer zones can't stop missiles.

👍 

[rogets]

Many over 60s would not want to have to go through another world war, too many painful memories

 

[hauxwell]

30 minutes ago, rogets said:

Many over 60s would not want to have to go through another world war, too many painful memories

 

When you listen to the stories about the two world wars I’m just thankful I didn’t have to live through them.

I’m not sure there will be a world war again and soldiers are sent all over the world to fight, nuclear weapons in all likelihood has put an end to conventional warfare