Jehovahs Witness conference in Hellaby.

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Here are a few of the dates on which the Jehovah's Witnesses prophecied that Gods Kingdom would arrive:

 

1914, 1918, 1925, 1941, 1975.

 

Apparently when nothing happened in 1975, many were disillusioned and left the religion.

 

carosio

 

1975 they were waiting for the end of world? I do not think so carosio.

 

Did'nt I asked you to qoute from JW's literature (books, magazines)? You just wrote the dates. Thats not the nice attempt

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Whatever happened to the mormons?

 

I don't think they've made much progress in the Sheffield area, but if anyone is curious about the Mormon religion then I suggest they peruse The Book of Mormon or one of its sister books like The Pearl of Great Price. I am tempted to comment further on these works but I won't.

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carosio

 

1975 they were waiting for the end of world? I do not think so carosio.

 

Did'nt I asked you to qoute from JW's literature (books, magazines)? You just wrote the dates. Thats not the nice attempt

 

Well, for the sake of Lets-Say-Few, here it is:

 

1908 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1908 ed.; p. 99)

 

1915 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished near the end of A.D. 1915. (The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, p. 99)

 

1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge." (Watchtower, p. 106, March 1, 1923)

 

1942 "Now, with Armageddon immediately before us, it is a matter of life or destruction. Those who would be of the Lords other sheep that shall compose the great multitude of Armageddon survivors and live joyfully on earth forever must find the answer to a very personal question, and very important." (Watchtower, April 1, 1942, p. 139)

 

1974 "Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3)

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Well, for the sake of Lets-Say-Few, here it is:

1974 "Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3)

 

 

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1. If the qouted words are from JW's kingdom ministry it is clear that they did not say in 1975 will be the end of the world.

 

2. If somebody imagined it was so near that sold house or a car it is his or her own imagination.

 

 

So dear, plaease be inpartial when you talk about them.

Edited September 3, 2009 by Lets-say-few

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1. If the qouted words are from JW's kingdom ministry it is clear that they did not say in 1975 will be the end of the world.

Well, I'll challenge you to prove that there not genuine.

1975 was the 6,000 year out of 7,000 since "the world" was made.

 

2. If somebody imagined it was so near that sold house or a car it is his or her own imagination.

 

Spot on-it was in their imagination as a result of indoctrination by the ruling body of JWs.

 

3. So dear, plaease be inpartial when you talk about them.

 

I am, the prophecies are theirs, not mine.

 

 

1980 "With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of mans existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated....In saying anyone, the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date. (Watchtower, March 15, 1980, p. 17-18)

Edited September 3, 2009 by carosio

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1980 "With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of mans existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated....In saying anyone, the Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah's Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date. (Watchtower, March 15, 1980, p. 17-18)

 

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Read carefuly please:

 

In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.

 

6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.

 

7 Nevertheless, there is no reason for us to be shaken in faith in God’s promises. Rather, as a consequence, we are all moved to make a closer examination of the Scriptures regarding this matter of a day of judgment. In doing so, we find that the important thing is not the date. What is important is our keeping ever in mind that there is such a day—and it is getting closer and it will require an accounting on the part of all of us. Peter said that Christians should rightly be “awaiting and keeping close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah.” (2*Pet. 3:12) It is not a certain date ahead; it is day-to-day living on the part of the Christian that is important.

 

He must not live a single day without having in mind that he is under Jehovah’s loving care and direction and must submit himself thereto, keeping also in mind that he must account for his acts.

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6 In its issue of July 15, 1976, The Watchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” QUOTE]

 

Basically, a roundabout way of saying that they were wrong over the past 100 years or so and have given up trying to set dates, not exactly a confidence booster. One also wonders why the "Holy Spirit" wasn't guiding them throughout all this prophesying; doubtless they'll have a roundabout way of explaining this, too.

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carosio

You are trying to turn words as you want.

 

It is clear that JWs (WatchTawer) did not say that 1975 would be the end of the world.

 

Unlike the Bible, the Watchtower is not inspired of God. It was written by men that are fallable. Peter said he did not know the Christ. On 3 different occasions. Peter lied. He had a motive. He feared for his life. So does that mean that he was not an Apostle? So are we not to read the two books in the Bible that bear his name because he made a mistake? Hardly.

 

 

JW's do not claim that their publications are inspired, neither do they claim to be prophets. Like Peter, JWs acknowledge their imperfection and that they are subject to errors as ALL other examples in the Bible. There are many religions and religious people today that claim to be infallable. NOT JW's. Like other true servants of God, they reaily admit their faults and errors.

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carosio

You are trying to turn words as you want.

 

It is clear that JWs (WatchTawer) did not say that 1975 would be the end of the world.

 

Unlike the Bible, the Watchtower is not inspired of God. It was written by men that are fallable. Peter said he did not know the Christ. On 3 different occasions. Peter lied. He had a motive. He feared for his life. So does that mean that he was not an Apostle? So are we not to read the two books in the Bible that bear his name because he made a mistake? Hardly.

 

 

JW's do not claim that their publications are inspired, neither do they claim to be prophets. Like Peter, JWs acknowledge their imperfection and that they are subject to errors as ALL other examples in the Bible. There are many religions and religious people today that claim to be infallable. NOT JW's. Like other true servants of God, they reaily admit their faults and errors.

 

Ok, fair point, let us say "predictions" rather than prophecies.

 

The JWs have consistently and relentlessly predicted, not the end of the world, but the coming of Armageddon around the dates that I have shown, however you might understand what that means. Whether their publications are inspired or not, they can and will be criticised, although they will always reject it. However, when predictions have failed to materialise on the magnitude and duration that they have demonstrated, why should I or anyone else take them seriously?

 

Another infamous example is their hypocracy over the UN (The Great Harlot) debacle. There isn't time (now) to go into details of this, but you may be aware that they were registered members (as NGOs) of the UN for over 10 years, (completely unbeknown to the rank and file) and when this was exposed by a jounalist, they disassociated themselves faster than dirt off a shovel. Of course, what they were really doing was trying to be more mainstream, you won't find much criticism of the UN in their recent literature.

 

There are many quite nice JWs, but in my opinion, misguided.

 

As far as the bible is concerned, I also find that to be inconsistent; this has been aired in detail in the sister post "God Does Not Exist (Part 3)"

 

Turning to yourself, you appear to have rejected the theology and doctrines of the JWs, so what may I ask is your denomination, if any, and how is it better than the others?

Edited September 4, 2009 by carosio

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ERROR-see above.

Edited September 4, 2009 by carosio