JoeP Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Now here's a good question - What do you mean by RnB? I've always regarded it as 'Rhythm and Blues' - the afore mentioned Wilko Jonnson, Graham Parker, Walter Trout....dirty blues guitar. I assume you mean what I've heard described as 'Urban'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj4321 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Do you have to be a student to get in tho? No every one welcome tickets £6, more on the door Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj4321 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Now here's a good question - What do you mean by RnB? I've always regarded it as 'Rhythm and Blues' - the afore mentioned Wilko Jonnson, Graham Parker, Walter Trout....dirty blues guitar. I assume you mean what I've heard described as 'Urban'? I don't class any of those as R&B either. You really should have said Aretha Franklyn, Dionne Warwick, James Brown, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Ray Charles or even Fats Domino. Urban is a STRICTLY UK title that can mean hip hop also and UK garage, drum n bass:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Now here's a good question - What do you mean by RnB? I've always regarded it as 'Rhythm and Blues' - the afore mentioned Wilko Jonnson, Graham Parker, Walter Trout....dirty blues guitar. I assume you mean what I've heard described as 'Urban'? Ahh the familiar refrain of outraged middle aged rockers to use of the term "R&B" in its original and most universally used meaning R&B has been used since at least the early 50s to describe black pop music. The term was high jacked in the 60s/70s by white pub rock bands playing their versions of 40s/50s US black r&b. But as the term has been used consistantly for at least 50 years to describe different progressions of black pop music - i think they've got a better claim to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Ahh the familiar refrain of outraged middle aged rockers to use of the term "R&B" in its original and most universally used meaning R&B has been used since at least the early 50s to describe black pop music. The term was high jacked in the 60s/70s by white pub rock bands playing their versions of 40s/50s US black r&b. But as the term has been used consistantly for at least 50 years to describe different progressions of black pop music - i think they've got a better claim to it... Steady on - all I did was ask. No need to bring my age in to it! And I don't get outraged about music - to be honest there's more in life to get peeved about than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj4321 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Steady on - all I did was ask. No need to bring my age in to it! And I don't get outraged about music - to be honest there's more in life to get peeved about than that! Banter and opinions mate. thought i would bring your age in to it as i am closely catching up. I am not peeved, I did smile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj4321 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Ahh the familiar refrain of outraged middle aged rockers to use of the term "R&B" in its original and most universally used meaning R&B has been used since at least the early 50s to describe black pop music. The term was high jacked in the 60s/70s by white pub rock bands playing their versions of 40s/50s US black r&b. But as the term has been used consistantly for at least 50 years to describe different progressions of black pop music - i think they've got a better claim to it... I think Mary J Blige would definately argue this point. Aaliyah rip,relation to the fabulous Thelma Houston (Whitney Houston) would also more than definately argue that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Ah well, my knowledge is improved every day I'm on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I think Mary J Blige would definately argue this point. Aaliyah rip,relation to the fabulous Thelma Houston (Whitney Houston) would also more than definately argue that. I appreciate the shifting sands between US Soul/Hip Hop/R&B are well beyond my limited knowledges of the genres... more making the point of its continued use for US black music. btw - I'm in my late 30 s- so would take any age reference with a pinch of salt.. you just dont get many young folk into 70s pub rock - so its mainly blokes in their late 30s/40s/50s to make the "its not proper R&B like XXXX (insert pub rock band)" comment which crops up quite frequently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilge Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 you just dont get many young folk into 70s pub rock - so its mainly blokes in their late 30s/40s/50s to make the "its not proper R&B like XXXX (insert pub rock band)" comment which crops up quite frequently It is a frequently-made point but maybe because it's seldom explained very well and ironically, some artists have been airbrushed out of its history as they don't fit the modern definition. You're saying the Feelgoods/Stones/Yardbirds/Zep/[insert any 1960s/70s guitar band name] were never proper RnB, so never counted, being mere imitations of the original black blues singers (which those groups willingly concede). But that's the same point as the fat old pub rock bore moaning that Mary J Bilge or whoever isn't 'proper RnB'. Not sure where Hendrix, Love etc fit in here. Labels, we love 'em. There's only two types of music - good and bad...etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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