Trouble at European games this week

[growler]

Been watching the games this week, while I feel that the English fans are not entirely innocent, it seems a strange coincedence that the trouble has re-surfaced when our teams are dominating European club competition. Am I being a little to cynical to think that forces are conspiring to get our teams removed from European club competition again?.

Week in week out Greek,Turkish, German and Dutch fans are far worse than ours but get little publicity ( because their press seem to be embarressed about it) and yet it becomes front page news in our papers.

[firecracker]

Been watching the games this week, while I feel that the English fans are not entirely innocent, it seems a strange coincedence that the trouble has re-surfaced when our teams are dominating European club competition. Am I being a little to cynical to think that forces are conspiring to get our teams removed from European club competition again?.

Week in week out Greek,Turkish, German and Dutch fans are far worse than ours but get little publicity ( because their press seem to be embarressed about it) and yet it becomes front page news in our papers.

And there's also been a bit of trouble involving Spurs fans at the Spurs v Seville match. Certainly one Tottenham supporter looked as if he'd taken a truncheon blow or two too many.

[Longcol]

Been watching the games this week, while I feel that the English fans are not entirely innocent, it seems a strange coincedence that the trouble has re-surfaced when our teams are dominating European club competition. Am I being a little to cynical to think that forces are conspiring to get our teams removed from European club competition again?.

Week in week out Greek,Turkish, German and Dutch fans are far worse than ours but get little publicity ( because their press seem to be embarressed about it) and yet it becomes front page news in our papers.

 

Are we really dominating European club football? Two English teams winning the European Cup in the last 8 years is hardly domination. I don't read the Greek, Turkish, German or Dutch press so I don't know if it makes front page news or not. I don't know why it does in this country - trouble at football is a minor irritant for the vast majority of the population - perhaps our press tends to make too big a deal of it?

 

Can't see any conspiracy to get us banned from Europe although some Italian and Spanish cops seem to have behaved like thugs.

[happyhippy]

Are we really dominating European club football? Two English teams winning the European Cup in the last 8 years is hardly domination. I don't read the Greek, Turkish, German or Dutch press so I don't know if it makes front page news or not. I don't know why it does in this country - trouble at football is a minor irritant for the vast majority of the population - perhaps our press tends to make too big a deal of it?

 

Can't see any conspiracy to get us banned from Europe although some Italian and Spanish cops seem to have behaved like thugs.

 

Well a 25% strike rate would be seen as pretty dominant. English clubs have gone far in recent seasons in both competitions, so I think it's reasonable to say that English clubs have done well, at the very least.

 

As for the hooligan element, simply thank the eejits of the 70's and 80's. Your name is tarnished more than any other nation, and it will be a long time before the mindset changes, despite the racism in Spain and Eastern Europe, the German, Dutch and Italian hooligans etc.

 

That said, in both of the troubles which have happened this week, the English clubs' fans seemed to be at the wrong end of some atrocious policing.

 

I'm also glad to see both Man Utd and Tottenham speaking out on behalf of their fans.

[growler]

I thought the F.A. the Police and the football clubs had people at the games whoose specific job was to watch the crowd and identify any trouble or trouble makers and report it back. But they always seem to wait until the press have hung,drawn and quartered the fans who may well have been victims before they come creeping out.

I don't think the fans are entirly innocent because for some reason that element still exists, and a very small minority will travel to games to cause trouble.

What I dont and never will understand is why the English F.A. always bow to U.E.F.A. without sticking up for our fans. Why have only English teams faced a ban from European competition?

Any one who has attended a game in Europe knows that whether guilty or not our fans become targets.

I went to watch Man Utd play in Turkrey a few years ago we went straight from the airport on to a coach and were escorted by the Police half way to the ground the Police vanished and left us at the mercy of a brick throwing mob of about 50 youths our coach had pensioners and kids on it as well as young adults every one was cowering down into their seats under a hail of bricks and bottles after a while the Police returned when tackled they said "Oh these things happen in Turkey".

We tried to make a complaint but we were told it would cause an incident and told "if you don't like it go home"

It will be interesting to see how the travelling fans are treated by our Police next week when they arrive here.

[JFKvsNixon]

The Spurs stewards are saying that the trouble started over two issues.

 

First, the stadium did not manage the fans seating. This led to the fans not knowing where their seats were in the stadium, so they ended up watching the game standing in the ailses and gangways. The Spurs fans had no problem with this, but the police took exception to this.

 

Secondly, the spurs fans got upset over the penelty and became very vocal, the police again took exception to this and this time waded into the fans with their battons; to which the Spurs fans retaliated. At half time the stewards talked to the police, which led them to with-drawing their heavy handed approach.

 

There was no violence between any fans, infact the fans were happily mingling before and after the game without any sign of trouble.

[tosh13]

I think it is time our clubs who play in Europe took there own security guards with them to police there own supporters,that would sort out the foreign police beating the crap out of our supporters.I watched the Spurs match last night & the police just waded in ,I thought the idiots who were ripping up the seats deserve lifetime bans,but a lot of Spurs fans were being set on for no reason ,just like the Man Utd fans in Roma.The ref last night was a joke ,he is supposed to be one the best refs in Europe that is a joke.