The Stop Smoking Megathread [ including Champix]

[Shogun]

I don't get this, it's about the 5th time someone has said it.

 

The landlords had the choice for the past 100 years, and none of them banned it, so clearly just 'giving' them a choice they already had wasn't going to solve the problem was it!

The choice to ether have a none smoking pub completely or not and the licences should have stated it,something like having to apply to the courts to have a pub that allows smoking or something on them lines,in the past when landlords have had a try at non smoking pubs they nearly always went back to smoking pubs after a drop in customers,so if given a choice the landlords would probably all opt for smoking pubs at the first chance.

[Cyclone]

An entirely different proposition (quite a sensible one, but different). The licensing board could have maintained a 40/60 ratio of smoking to non smoking and charged an extra 10k/annum for a smoking license.

 

But that still wouldn't protect the staff that worked there.

[MonkeyRocks]

utter rubbish, here is probably the main reason.

 

Take Bacardi Breezer, in a pob/bar it costs between £2.50 - £4 for one bottle.

 

If you go to morrisions, you can get 8 bottles for £6.

 

So if you want to get tanked up on say 8 bottles, you can go to morrisons, pay just over £7, or you can go to the pub and pay nearly £32

 

But you'd be sat at home in front of the TV bladdered rather than in a nice sociable atmosphere (depending on the pub). I like to go to the pub as an outing to socialise not purely to get pi**ed. Booze is always cheap to buy from a shop but by going to the pub you pay the extra to have a proper pint (again depending on which pub) that is much nicer than a tin. Tht said I'm not saying drinks are fairly priced in pubs but it's obvious why there are more expensive than in supermarkets. A lot of pubs are having to charge more and more for drinks based on a lot of factors. When it comes to the whole debate of why alchohol prices are so high it's beacuse pubs in general are struggling and in my opinion the simple reason they are struggling is that society has changed drastically from the times when pubs were packed every night of the week. I.e. factory workers, tradesman, etc might go to the pub straight from work every day then go with or without the wife most of the weekend but social attitudes, jobs and times have changed since then, don't think anyone is particularly to blame just a sign of the times.

[Shogun]

How it should have been implemented is let the customers decide.

 

Smoking area's would have got smaller as people gave up.

 

I had plans to move my smoking dining area to the tap room as my Drinking only non-smokers were getting much busier. But I couldn't do that after the smoking ban. Licencee's will move things around as demand grows or drops.

 

As non-smokers grew, which they have been doing for years prior to the ban. Smokers were becoming less and less as some fell in, stopped smoking even died. Your figures of non-smokers growing should have been left for them to continue growing, take over then smoking in pubs would have taken a natural less and less and most business's would have survived. The Blanket ban and Law was detrimental to the business and the Government has missed a trick.

 

Of course, don't take my word for it. Smoking has been becoming less and less since the early 80's from what I can gather.

they say 1 in 3 people smoke funny how that 1 always stands next to me every time.

[Guzzrate]

they say 1 in 3 people smoke funny how that 1 always stands next to me every time.

 

I don't think that's true anymore. Maybe mid to late 90's but now-a-days you'll be lucky if you get 1 in 5 people who smoke.

 

the Smoking, Ban, The price of Cigerettes and the "anti-social" aspect has paid a lot to that, imo

[Shogun]

An entirely different proposition (quite a sensible one, but different). The licensing board could have maintained a 40/60 ratio of smoking to non smoking and charged an extra 10k/annum for a smoking license.

 

But that still wouldn't protect the staff that worked there.

I ran pubs for few years when every one smoked in them banning smoking in them days would have closed your pub down in no time it was the norm to smoke in a pub,people used think it was odd that I did not smoke being a landlord,all the staff smoked {not behind to bar though} as well,its just my opinion but I think banning smoking in pubs altogether was a to far to go,if the pub was a smoking pub with a licence the people who worked there would probably smoke as well giving you a choice of to work there or not.

[Shogun]

I don't think that's true anymore. Maybe mid to late 90's but now-a-days you'll be lucky if you get 1 in 5 people who smoke.

 

the Smoking, Ban, The price of Cigerettes and the "anti-social" aspect has paid a lot to that, imo

I think the figure is 75% who don't smoke it could be a bit more I'm not sure I get all this info from my missus she is a radiographer and some of the Xrays she sees would put you off smoking for ever, especially when some one comes in with a cough and they say can you see anything,well yes as you have been smoking 40 fags a day since you were 14,but she can not tell them anything as its up to the doctors to say what is there. Edited August 18, 2011 by Shogun

[Shogun]

But you'd be sat at home in front of the TV bladdered rather than in a nice sociable atmosphere (depending on the pub). I like to go to the pub as an outing to socialise not purely to get pi**ed. Booze is always cheap to buy from a shop but by going to the pub you pay the extra to have a proper pint (again depending on which pub) that is much nicer than a tin. Tht said I'm not saying drinks are fairly priced in pubs but it's obvious why there are more expensive than in supermarkets. A lot of pubs are having to charge more and more for drinks based on a lot of factors. When it comes to the whole debate of why alchohol prices are so high it's beacuse pubs in general are struggling and in my opinion the simple reason they are struggling is that society has changed drastically from the times when pubs were packed every night of the week. I.e. factory workers, tradesman, etc might go to the pub straight from work every day then go with or without the wife most of the weekend but social attitudes, jobs and times have changed since then, don't think anyone is particularly to blame just a sign of the times.

You will have to tell me were this pub is it sounds wonderful it has to be with in walking distance though,if the fuzz stop you in your car and you have had a sniff of a drink your in for a life time ban and and be ostracized from society for life

[vinyl]

You have a little way to go yet, the non smoking population here is said to be 75%.

 

Actually the percentage of adults who smoke in the UK is 21%. That means 79% don't. So for anyone to claim that a ban on smoking led to the closure of their pub is frankly preposterous as the vast majority of smokers carried on going to the pub regardless and were happy to nip outside if they couldn't manage without a fag. As non-smokers outnumber smokers 4 to 1 it is more likely that more folks who avoided smoky pubs started to use them than non-smokers stopped using them. This is born out by the massive increase in cafe bars and wine bars that have sprung up around the country.

 

The smoking ban coincided with the start of the financial crisis, and it is very clear that people have far less cash to spend on beer, particularly as they are tending towards more expensive drinks as well as dining out more often.

 

Most pubs that have closed were sheds that had passed their close by dates. I don't know many pubs in Sheffield that have closed and not re-opened a few months later with a new landlord, but certainly the number is far less than the new pubs, wine bars and cafe bas that have opened. You can even sit out alongside the Peace Gardens or Leopold Square and enjoy a beer of a glass of wine as I did at the weekend.

 

The smoking ban has had a wonderful effect on the nation's health, and if it doesn't bother a few saddos consciences to sit at home and force their families to smoke their fags that's fine by me.

[Cyclone]

I ran pubs for few years when every one smoked in them banning smoking in them days would have closed your pub down in no time it was the norm to smoke in a pub,people used think it was odd that I did not smoke being a landlord,all the staff smoked {not behind to bar though} as well,its just my opinion but I think banning smoking in pubs altogether was a to far to go,if the pub was a smoking pub with a licence the people who worked there would probably smoke as well giving you a choice of to work there or not.

 

Telling someone they have a choice of leaving or compromising your health isn't how H&S works though is it, or many industries would still be incredibly dangerous.