Madeleine McCann allegedly abducted in Portugal (2) The press apologise.

[Jennie80]

Stating someone is silly and ridiculous, for feeling remorse for losing an unborn child, is ridiculous! The lady was making a point about how she had and so believes she'd feel. I can't imagine how one deals with having a child taken from you, But too know the hell at having a miscarriage as well as having a new born child taken to Special baby unit an hour after bringing them into the world and not knowing if they'll survive and how emotional i was over that and thats not silly or ridiculous either.

 

I was referring to the statement as being ridiculous not the situation or the person. My point was simple - that people grieve in different ways and to make out that the McCanns are guilty because they are not expressing their grief in the same way that you and I may is 'ridiculous' and 'silly'.

 

It's not fair to presume that they are not going through Hell just because they are not in floods of tears on TV.

[RiffRaff]

No loonytoon psychics on the case, or even balmpot 'alien abduction' theories yet?

I'm amazed....we seem to have had everything else.

[HarmOKnee]

I don't. But what's your view on the question I posed, pootle - door locked or unlocked?

 

I don't know any of the facts, only what's been reported in the papers. The Portugese police haven't discussed anything about the case, so whatever the papers are saying is just guesswork, and they often tend to gets facts wrong too. So my view on your question is that I haven't the foggiest.

[peardrops]

I haven't read all of this thread but something I read over the weekend struck me as a bit weird.

 

When Kate when into the apartment after Madeleine had gone missing she ran out shouting "they've taken her, they've taken her".

 

This wouldn't be my first thought, I'd have thought my child had woken and gone looking for us which could have resulted in falling in the swimming pool etc. This would be my fear.

 

She then justified saying "they've taken her" because Cuddle Cat had been taken from Madeleine and placed on a shelf too high for Madeleine to reach.

 

My thoughts are - if you see that your child is missing you would search under the beds, in the bathroom, in cupboards etc, would you really survey high up on a shelf a teddy and ascertain that it was too high for Madeleine and someone therefore must have moved it and taken the child?

 

I know its all speculation but these things just seem a little odd to me.

[Rotherhamer]

You really are a very silly man

 

No, I have not done any sort of turn-around.

 

I haven't changed my mind in the slightest about there being something very 'odd' about the case from the start - I stand by that. It's a feeling, an intuition I've had from the beginning - but what exactly is wrong with the case, I can't put my finger on. Whether that 'wrongness' involves the McCanns or not, I have no idea. It is quite simply, a very strange situation.

 

I have never 'condemned' the McCanns in the slightest, and I take great offensive at you saying so.

 

I am open to the possibility they may have had more to do with the disappearance of their daughter than was previously thought. Possibility. May. That is all. Clearly the police have to look at all angles in a case as complex as this.

 

IF - and it's a big IF - it turns out the McCanns did accidentally cause Madeleine's death, then the whole scenario is an appalling and terrible tragedy, a tragedy for Madeleine's parents more than anyone except Madeleine herself. Can you even begin to imagine the unbearable feelings of guilt a parent must carry for causing their child's death, even if it was an accident? Their lives are never going to be the same again. Any condemnation of them the outside world can produce, I'm sure would fade into insignificance in comparison to the internal crucifying of themselves a parent would likely feel in such circumstances.

 

Whatever the reality behind Madeleine's disappearance, it's a family torn apart, and I feel desperately sorry for the whole family. Whatever's happened, it's a true living nightmare, the sort of thing no-one should have to suffer in their lives.

 

StarSparkle

Im silly ..your unbelievable,in one sentence you say..theres something funny in all this,in another sentence you say...i am open to the possibility that they have had something more to do with the dissapearance, and then you call me silly and say ..you are not condemning them..Its you thats being silly make your mind up what you mean then possibly you will refrain from looking foolish

[StarSparkle]

Im silly ..your unbelievable,in one sentence you say..theres something funny in all this,in another sentence you say...i am open to the possibility that they have had something more to do with the dissapearance, and then you call me silly and say ..you are not condemning them..Its you thats being silly make your mind up what you mean then possibly you will refrain from looking foolish

 

You really shouldn't post on here if your grasp of the English language is not up to it.

 

I think you're simply not understanding what I'm saying - but what I've said is perfectly clear. I've not contradicted myself in the least.

 

I'm saying that whatever has happened in this incredibly sad, incredibly strange case, I feel desperately sorry for all involved, including the parents.

 

You're the one who looks (very) foolish.

 

Now go away.

 

StarSparkle

[JoeP]

Mod. Note

 

And....breathe.

 

Rotherhamer, Starsparkle - please don't get in to name calling. Just calm down and don't take these things so personally.

 

Thank you both in advance.

 

[LibertyBell]

That's a ridiculous thing to say. No one person responds and acts the same to grief and distress. And unless you've been in that situation (or indeed the women you speak of) then how can you know how it would feel. Stating you would be a wreck is silly when you've never been through it. They are going through hell, clearly, and so what if they deal with it differently to how others may?!!!!

 

There is an expected pattern of behaviour, isn't there, in cases like this and people who don't match it and give the press the tear-shot they want and expect, are then viewed as odd or even suspicious.

 

cf the Falconio case where the girlfriend didn't cry "enough" and then became the target of completely false accusations by the press and the defence.

 

Very dangerous to even start making any assumptions from an individuals behavioural response.

[Pipine]

I haven't read all of this thread but something I read over the weekend struck me as a bit weird.

 

When Kate when into the apartment after Madeleine had gone missing she ran out shouting "they've taken her, they've taken her".

 

This wouldn't be my first thought, I'd have thought my child had woken and gone looking for us which could have resulted in falling in the swimming pool etc. This would be my fear.

 

She then justified saying "they've taken her" because Cuddle Cat had been taken from Madeleine and placed on a shelf too high for Madeleine to reach.

 

My thoughts are - if you see that your child is missing you would search under the beds, in the bathroom, in cupboards etc, would you really survey high up on a shelf a teddy and ascertain that it was too high for Madeleine and someone therefore must have moved it and taken the child?

 

I know its all speculation but these things just seem a little odd to me.

 

 

It does seem very strange. I can't say abduction would be my initial thought if a child wasn't in its bed. I'd be running round the complex looking for her. Something very fishy going on if those really were Kates first reactions

[Jess22]

There is an expected pattern of behaviour, isn't there, in cases like this and people who don't match it and give the press the tear-shot they want and expect, are then viewed as odd or even suspicious.

 

cf the Falconio case where the girlfriend didn't cry "enough" and then becasue the target of completely false accusations by the press and the defence.

 

Very dangerous to even start making any assumptions from an individuals behavioural response.

 

 

Funnily enough there is an article on the BBC website today about "teaching emotions" that could explain why some people appear not to cry enough or seem upset, I have to say though, in my opinion. I don't have kids but would NEVER leave them unattended like this if i did, the parents should feel so much blame on themselves for doing this and rightly so, in my eyes they were neglected and uncarred for on this holiday, it seems like socialising with their friends was the main priority. Just because of this you would expect the parents to be in a mess. They don't really appear to be to me.

 

A 15 year old girl has gone missing in England, 5 days ago, (Rosemary Edwards) yet Maddie is still headline news when nothing new has happened in the case, just shows how some stories really hold the media attention.

 

The starngest thing in all this is the fact that the public hardly know any facts, due to the Portuguese law having to keep it all secret, this is why it all seems so strange. We are used to being told the ins and outs of the investigation through the media, all we are being told with this is speculation.