melthebell Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 As I mentioned in another post, the 50 foot rule is not that clear cut – it states ‘if to do so would cause alarm to a member of the public’. So you can shoot right on the edge of land if it’s not alarming anybody. How do you control farm pests from inside a gun club? 1: thats the thing people can lie about where they were shooting 2: tbh im not bothered at all whether animals (any animals) are shot by airgunenrs, im vegetarian thats a whole different thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeTravelle Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 why i think its quite plausable really. i know kids can be quite stupid and selfish (i was one once ) and if they had the idea of wanting to shoot one and found the chance to i think they would? as i said i used to shoot airguns but it never really interested me, it didnt stick to me looking a tthe folks posting on here its obvious its a lifes passion for some, im just thinking some people may take it to the extremes? and go too far? like kids nicking cars and maybe dying in crashes? cars are their passion from an early age I cannot deny that some people might want to shoot more powerful guns ... well it's likely really because clearly some people shoot, legally, .22LR rifles and .17 HMR rifles and a fair few of those started on airguns. But isn't the critical point here intent, ie do you intend to use a more powerful gun for legitimate purposes (pest control, target shooting) or for illegal purposes? Then would we ban cops and robbers shows on TVs because the use of the gun might encourage kids to acquire an illegal handgun -- because I'm sure that they might be encouraged to get one of they are so minded ... you see my point and the complicated nature of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeTravelle Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 1: thats the thing people can lie about where they were shooting 2: tbh im not bothered at all whether animals (any animals) are shot by airgunenrs, im vegetarian thats a whole different thread Sorry mate ... I don't mean to pick on your posts! Just feel inclined to respond, that's all: 1. They might ... but the point is shooting within 50 feet of the centre of the highway is a very small distance indeed ... you are much more likely to be much farther away. 2. I do hunt with air rifles, but I do think we need to care. It is our responsibility to ensure that each "kill" is a clean, humane kill. Many people who hunt with guns take the utmost care in the clean kill. As for suffering, there's nothing quite as distressful as seeing a rabbit in the final throes of myximitosis .... what possessed man to unlease that into the environment god only knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtfulDodger Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I wouldn't have a problem with that, except that it would achieve nothing at the expense of a database which needs to be managed, and would therefore be a waste of national resources. A database with millions of addresses, accessible nationally and linked to all shops, is not a cheap thing to create. Most commercial database software falls over at 10 or 20 thousand entries; millions need special software and servers, and costs big bucks. Most air guns are most definitely serial numbered. I have had many over the years, currently have a collection of a dozen or so varied and interesting types of air weapon, and ALL of them carry factory serial numbers (I just double-checked to be sure!). I would expect some of the mass-produced third world imports may be produced without numbers. Well, my section1 and shotguns are on a database which remains standing.......... Just checked; correct, air weapons DO carry serial nos., sorry 'bout that. I think for clarities sake we ought to differentiate between air guns and firearms; it seems that the key defense of the 'anti license' opinion is that 'gun crime' is not affected, meaning firearm offences really. Is now the time to chuck in how easily air weapons can be modified to be waaaaay more powerful than the 12ft/lb legal maximum??? And for balance, mention the 150ft/lb (YES 150ft/lb) compound crossbows you can legally purchase, sans license!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungbeetle Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 ive given two reasons why it might help to (maybe not fully stop) criminals 1: making it easier to spot people illegally firing air guns outside. No, and again, no. With the exception of somebody pest shooting on a farm, anybody you see out and about firing a gun, or carrying a gun, is already instantly spotted as breaking the law, and you can rest assured that the Police will check people who they can see pest or rough shooting anyway. That however happens rarely, because in rural areas people can often be seen with guns on farmland from the road, but it’s the norm, they’re not breaking any laws and chavs with illegal guns don’t operate that way. The problems are in the towns, not the countryside, and in towns a certificate makes no difference to how easy to spot somebody is if they’re not allowed out with a gun under current, existing laws. 2: stop people who may practice / get a taste for guns from taking it up and maybe moving onto the real thing later on (illegally) People do ‘move up’ from air guns to firearms as they expand their legal interest in sport. That’s normal progression, like moving up from jogging to fell running. People who like to break the law have a taste for breaking the law – I cannot see how a drug dealer who wants the ‘status’ and ‘protection’ of a handgun will base his desire on having had an airgun as a boy. He will be swayed by the culture of the criminal underclasses with whom he socialises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtfulDodger Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 The law was already being broken -- and if it was being broken I doubt the lack of a licence would have stopped either party. But if the person selling had to register the person purchasing, which could then be checked/audited by the Police ie he is accountable for that sale, would he have sold the 14 yr old the pistol?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeTravelle Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I think for clarities sake we ought to differentiate between air guns and firearms; it seems that the key defense of the 'anti license' opinion is that 'gun crime' is not affected, meaning firearm offences really. Is now the time to chuck in how easily air weapons can be modified to be waaaaay more powerful than the 12ft/lb legal maximum??? 1. Technically, any gun producing more than 1 joule of energy is classed as a firearm. So that includes most "normal" air rifles which are limited to 12ft/lbs. The difference is that a specific Section 1 certificate is not required on rifles up to 12ft/lbs. The 1 joule rule means that paintballing doesn't get subject to the same rules as "normal" air rifles. 2. They can be modified, but it is not that easy. It requires a degree of expertise and the increase in power is not hugely different. Most rifles these days have anti-tamper devices fitted anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliPasha Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 why i think its quite plausable really. i know kids can be quite stupid and selfish (i was one once ) and if they had the idea of wanting to shoot one and found the chance to i think they would? as i said i used to shoot airguns but it never really interested me, it didnt stick to me looking a tthe folks posting on here its obvious its a lifes passion for some, im just thinking some people may take it to the extremes? and go too far? like kids nicking cars and maybe dying in crashes? cars are their passion from an early age. surely its got to be looked at? not simply poo poo'd. maybe if all people arrested for gun crime are interrigated and asked why they did it, the reasons, where they got an interest etc, and a large database produced, and details made public, cos i know it is of interest to me You're on a wind up methinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeTravelle Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 But if the person selling had to register the person purchasing, which could then be checked/audited by the Police ie he is accountable for that sale, would he have sold the 14 yr old the pistol?? That's assuming he put the sale down in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melthebell Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 You're on a wind up methinks... why? im trying to make a valid point with little knowledge apart from the knowledge that we have to do something. im trying to conjure up ideas, some prolly wrong, some maybe interesting. i dont see anything else on here apart from gun lovers poo pooing everybody elses ideas and more importantly NOT coming up with any viable ideas to help instead. it seems theres no point in discussing it anymore tbh, cos its just going round in circles, nobodys gonna change their ideas, just like every other debate on ehre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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